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« on: 2004-05-26 20:24:58 »
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...Joe, much as auto insurance companies raise rates for accident prone
drivers...even IF they are NOT at fault...their logic is not unfounded. 
they presume that one way or another, even if the person is NOT at fault
that something about their driving habits seems to be condusive to getting
in accidents somehow, someway.

...in a similar vein, YOU seem to generate problems with your mail habits
with other people.  whether or not YOU are at fault...it just seems to keep
happening and they never seem to get resolved...they just escalate.

...you should ask yourself "why is this?" perhaps, before once again
declaring a wrongdoing and a subsequent Jihad of sorts.  everyone else has
figured out how to back off every once and a while, please consider this out
of common sense for once, not out of right or wrong.


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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Joe Dees" <hidden@lucifer.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: virus: Re:'Disturbing' data suggest plot for summer terror
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:52:56 -0600

I officially call for the moderation of Irvken, who has continuously
subjected me to rude remarks, vicious name calling, and unacceptable
personal attacks, sometimes having absolutely nothing to do with my posts. 
This began with his repeating Hrmit's mother-slander some time ago and has
continued to the present day.  If he can't keep a civil tongue in his head,
he should at least keep his incivilities off this list.

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« Reply #1 on: 2004-05-26 21:00:09 »
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Re: Re:virus: Joe's complaint
« Reply #2 on: 2004-05-27 02:40:56 »
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On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 02:00, Joe Dees wrote:
> (Joe) Some examples of Irvken's subtle and scintillating commentary concerning me and my posts, from the most recent back, follow:

Yes Joe, these are personal attacks, and meant,  you fucking quisling.
There are no soldiers on your streets shooting dead your kids. Moderate
away, I probably don't have the time to argue with a shit like you (and
your corporate sponsors) anyway, but I can keep up the insults till I'm
banned

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« Reply #3 on: 2004-05-27 02:46:54 »
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....ok fine.  i guess he was unneccessarily insulting and rude.  and i'll
give you credit for NOT returning such fire (i think? unless i missed
something).  and your comment of walking the dark halls of the CoV w/regard
to your position DOES add up.  and while i still think your pro-bush admin.
position requires a LOT of desire to like/trust them, overall comments to
your direction shouldnt require cursing you out or attacking your mum (an
achilles heel which you allowed to be created).

....i sense that the capacity for others to indulge in this sort of behavior
towards you, while not respectable or neccessary, has something to do with a
flat out disbelief in your tendancy to tow an 'absolutest' line w/ regard to
political issues.  if i may clarify myself, here it is: when i watch
political programs with dems. or rep. at hand, even if they arent tied to
the party directly, they seem to support WHATEVER opinion bush does...or
whatever platform his admin. does.  to such an extreme point that bush
could come out and say "women who have abortions should be caught, shot, and
burned in public", and these "supporters" would actually try to support his
statements in a roundabout way.  they wouldnt agree with such an outrageous
statement, but they would try to sort of 'explain' it in a way that either
excuses bush or makes it sound like he meant something else....instead of
saying, "ok, this guy is a complete psychopath and shouldnt represent the
republican party".  im sure youve seen this sort of support...whereby
'bushies' will support each and everything he says.  NO ONE AGREES WITH
SOMEONE ELSE ON EVERYTHING!!!!!  it's impossible.

...back to the point;  people see YOU as something close to one of these
pundits/supporters and it frustrates them.  it seems to ME that you somehow
ignore all the corporate b.s. bush sells out to and fucks us over for, and
just throw all kinds of faith and support his way.  it's remarkable for
someone as intelligent as you are, and incredibly frustrating to many here.

...im not excusing them or desparraging them, just want to tell you whats
going on in their heads if im not mistaken.



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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Joe Dees" <hidden@lucifer.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re:virus: Joe's complaint
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:00:10 -0600

(Joe) Some examples of Irvken's subtle and scintillating commentary
concerning me and my posts, from the most recent back, follow:

On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 22:02, Joe Dees wrote:
> 'Disturbing' data suggest plot for summer terror
> By Jerry Seper
> THE WASHINGTON TIMES
> Published May 26, 2004
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040525-113030-4809r.htm
>
blah, blah. more drivel. If it does happen will you shut the fuck up?

On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 16:29, Joe Dees wrote:
> The Belmont Club proceeds with their analysis using the data from several
different press accounts of the selfsame event, chronologically arranged (as
to the times at which the news services posted them). Surely the multiply
verified facts from several different new services, cross-referenced for
correlations, must be better than simply swallowing purported facts from one
single source alone, ayy?

depends what the sources are, if they're all Joe "propaganda" Dees
approved sources, then they're probably not worth shit.

Dead children now number in the hundreds, innocents the thousands, your
bloody empire is being built on the bones of ordinary people, trying to live
ordinary lives. Fuck off back home and just deal with your economic crisis
like a civilised people, not invade countries half way round the world to
steal their oil. You kill your own poor, you kill everybody elses poor, and
you dehumanise and denigrate any one who opposes you. I'd feel sorry for
you, but I'm too busy feeling sorry for the victims of the almighty fucking
mess you're making of everything.

so what are you saying with all these posts, that your army aren't a bunch
of heavily-armed torturing rapist rag-head hating racist thugs? or just that
they're misunderstood?

faked my arse, there's plenty of middle aged irishmen can testify to this
being standard oprating procedure in the Brit Army. Your mun still dribbling
Joe, becaise you are. Fuckwit.

(Joe again) what would you call this, Sebby?  It sure as Hell ain't no
accidental auto crash.  It more closely resembles an intentional and
continual demolition derby attempt via epithet and inanity.  But of this
point I am quite certain; it says a helluva lot more about its source than
it does about its destination, and none of what it has to say is favorable.
And if I weren't wearing that red dress of a differing opinion and walking
down the dark alley of the CoV, I wouldn't get verbally assaulted by a crude
and illiterate thug, ayy?  Of course - blame the attackEE rather than the
attackER.  Just like "What did we do to deserve 9/11?"  Bullus shittus.

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Re: Re:virus: Joe's complaint
« Reply #4 on: 2004-05-27 04:12:26 »
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....Sean, regardless of how much you hate Joe's positions...we've had to
learn over a long period of time, that flame wars are very detrimental,
wasteful, and have never produced anything other than resentment, lots of
wasted time mediating, and loss of freedom here on the CoV.  since we are
small, with a benevolent and wise dictator (Lucifer), it is relatively easy
to recover quickly and completely...but one day this may not be the case.

....case in point:  a guy riding the bus with the window open, enjoying the
fresh air.  he sees someone that wronged him severely and hurls a bottle out
the window which hits his target on the head, and severely injures him. 
result:

1.  he gets a satisfying revenge
2.  target sues bus company
3.  350,000,000 people never get to enjoy a bus ride with an open window, a
cool breeze, and feeling close to the world which he sees pass in front of
him....ever again!

....thankfully we have no litigious lawyers operating within the CoV, so
freedoms arent so easily taken away.  but the b.s. that results from such
situations inclines many here to contemplate previously unknown
restrictions.  this personal rage on your part which you mix with the CoV
bandwidth, affects all of us.  so if you must call Joe or anyone a "fucker"
more than once or twice, or make fun of his mother(the revered hermit did it
already for some reason, but at least he knew joe for quite some time...and
joe bit the bait a bit too hard), do it via private email.

...above your potential frustration or hatred for someone or some
idea....keep your love for the CoV in a place above it.  if you cant, then I
would see THAT as a reason for a temporary ban.



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----Original Message Follows----
From: Sean Kenny <seankenny@blueyonder.co.uk>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: Re:virus: Joe's complaint
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 07:40:56 +0100

On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 02:00, Joe Dees wrote:
> (Joe) Some examples of Irvken's subtle and scintillating commentary
concerning me and my posts, from the most recent back, follow:

Yes Joe, these are personal attacks, and meant,  you fucking quisling.
There are no soldiers on your streets shooting dead your kids. Moderate
away, I probably don't have the time to argue with a shit like you (and
your corporate sponsors) anyway, but I can keep up the insults till I'm
banned

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RE: Re:virus: Joe's complaint
« Reply #5 on: 2004-05-27 06:44:09 »
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Sent: 27 May 2004 08:41 AM

On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 02:00, Joe Dees wrote:
> (Joe) Some examples of Irvken's subtle and scintillating commentary
concerning me and my posts, from the most recent back, follow:

Yes Joe, these are personal attacks, and meant,  you fucking quisling.
There are no soldiers on your streets shooting dead your kids. Moderate
away, I probably don't have the time to argue with a shit like you (and
your corporate sponsors) anyway, but I can keep up the insults till I'm
banned

[Blunderov]  A wise man once remarked that insult is never given; only
taken. Joe would be perfectly justified in ignoring your ad hominem
completely. But he is under no obligation to do so.

Please consider whether you really wish to be banned. You are under no
compulsion to read, or reply to Joe's posts if you don't wish to.

I can perfectly understand that emotion can overcome reason from time to
time. These are very testing times. But there is little point in being
deliberately and persistently objectionable. It is unreasonable.

I can't imagine how it would give you satisfaction to prove that Joe
understands this better than you do.

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« Reply #6 on: 2004-05-27 07:50:27 »
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Sean, this is not on. This sort of abuse is proscribed in this forums'
rules. If this were not coming via the list, I would suspect these mails to
be spoofed as this is not congruent with the person I think is Irvken / Sean
Kenny.

If you want to be banned, go ahead and continue. Someone may call for your
banning and you do, on the basis of these posts, look like you are heading
towards deserving it.

That said, I am strongly against banning if it can be helped at all. Please
Don't take on the habits of the Jihadis. Martyrdom is for zealots and is not
a Virian virtue.

Regards

Jonathan



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Subject: Re: Re:virus: Joe's complaint

On Thu, 2004-05-27 at 02:00, Joe Dees wrote:
> (Joe) Some examples of Irvken's subtle and scintillating commentary
concerning me and my posts, from the most recent back, follow:

Yes Joe, these are personal attacks, and meant,  you fucking quisling.
There are no soldiers on your streets shooting dead your kids. Moderate
away, I probably don't have the time to argue with a shit like you (and your
corporate sponsors) anyway, but I can keep up the insults till I'm banned

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« Reply #7 on: 2004-05-27 08:19:42 »
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[Blunderov to Irvken]
Please consider whether you really wish to be banned. You are under no compulsion to read, or reply to Joe's posts if you don't wish to.


[rhinoceros]
One can find a lot to be enraged with, out there in the Web, but we usually don't bother. However, when it comes to a place we consider as "home", and we think that something incoherent is turning it into a wasteland unable to make any progress, it is often not enough not to read some posts.

A good question is "whose home"? We'll have to see if there is any way to figure it out.

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Joe sets out a legitimate and well argued position . He is not advocating
the murder of children or genocide or anything like the sort of things that
for example  Palestinian terrorists do deliberately and find passive support
in this forum.

Joe would be entitled to be enraged by some of the things he reads here:
Sympathy for his country's military foes, regular personal attacks against
him, a strong anti-US dogma occupying the mainstream and double standards in
the application of rules and group censure (i.e. people look away or openly
support Irvken whereas when Joe comes anywhere near this level of
vituperation he is chided).

I thought we disagreed with personal attacks on principle, regardless of the
individual's beliefs about how justified their odium? If we are going to
introduce subjective values and arbitrary judgements about who is and is not
worthy of abuse, then  we may as well switch to "anything goes" and prepare
to have this digital commons destroyed.

Try and have some respect for diversity, folks. People like Joe and I differ
from the mainstream political views of this micro-culture. If you discuss
political matters, then be prepared to hear from us as members of this
community. If we are so utterly wrong and so many of you regularly claim,
then simply prove us wrong.

It seems that the most shrill denunciations and expressions of outrage are
not based on what Joe says per se, but stem from an inability to suppress
him intellectually.

Kind regards

Jonathan


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[Blunderov to Irvken]
Please consider whether you really wish to be banned. You are under no
compulsion to read, or reply to Joe's posts if you don't wish to.


[rhinoceros]
One can find a lot to be enraged with, out there in the Web, but we usually
don't bother. However, when it comes to a place we consider as "home", and
we think that something incoherent is turning it into a wasteland unable to
make any progress, it is often not enough not to read some posts.

A good question is "whose home"? We'll have to see if there is any way to
figure it out.



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[Jonathan Davis]
Joe sets out a legitimate and well argued position . He is not advocating the murder of children or genocide or anything like the sort of things that for example  Palestinian terrorists do deliberately and find passive support in this forum.
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[rhinoceros]
Interesting example.
The forum has had the opportunity of an ample exposure to this "legitimate and well argued position" and to Joe's special dedication to it for years.

- Did the virians evaluate Joe Dees incorrectly?
- Are they too passive or unwilling to allocate some more of their time to be exposed to that position?
- Do they expect to do different things here?

Who can say what is hidden in the human psyche or in the cold numbers? At the end of the day, CoV is stuck with its members' judgement when it comes to resolving an argument or to allocating our time.

As a matter of fact, there are other forums out there which would be ecstatic to have Joe tell them all about this position.
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Quote from: Joe Dees on 2004-05-26 19:55:16   

Logic, facts and evidence belong to all honest perspectives equally and none of them exclusively.  When inconvenient facts irritate people, it is a sure sign that their perspective is deficient or skewed.

Search for 'the myth of a liberal media' on google. A "good link" (from the 202,000 returned by googling for the above refuting your assertions can be found here Robert Parry, "Price of the 'Liberal Media' Myth", January 2003.

Is this an "inconvenient fact"? Will Dees - and Davis, who regurgitates the same assertion, succeed in swallowing it without irritation?

Meanwhile, whenever I see Dees mount his high-chair and begin tossing smelly things about the CoV, I am reminded of Albert Einstein's comment, "The tyranny of the ignoramuses is insurmountable and assured for all time." I wouldn't have said anything at all, except that it seems that Dees is asking for somebody else to be censured(!?!), despite his objecting strenuously when it happens to him. In my opinion, Dees is becoming boring and repetitive, still obsessing about imagined insults to his senile, leaky mother, stridently complaining about the delusions he imagines are held by others (but never by himself), while gratuitously insulting others and objecting to them responding to his insults in kind. Please see for yourselves. Remember Hermit's comment when Dees attempted to insult him in "Re:Requiem Dees - In the pit",2003-03-02.

Quote:

[Hermit]  [The drunken (assumed from the broken typing) Dees babbled] carlita, ou have slung the mud of bigotrous accusations at me since cybertime immemorial, long before my response in kind.  Then you whipped out a mother-slandering shovel in order to enable you to burrow even deeper in your beloved gutter.  You have abundantly proven ypourself to be nothing more than a malignant yet clueless buffoon, and what you remain clueless about is your own transparent buffoonery.  But in that delusion, you are one of few.

[Hermit] Noting that you are again tossing out slur instead of substance, having already repeatedly proven utterly incapable of supporting your assertions, or of responding to their refutation and rejection when you have attempted to do so (e.g. [ Hermit, Re:Requiem Dees, Reply #21, 2003-02-28 ]) , you again fall back on drooling assinine assertion and attempted ad hominem. Substantiate your statements an you can, or be laughed out of court.... Oh, don't bother! The sound you hear is hysterical hilarity and supercilious laughter as your specious slurs strike the surrogate sewer you have so carefully constructed as an abatiss to protect your delusional self-image. Your regression is now substantially completed. After all, once all the toys have been disbursed from the cot, and faeces smeared upon everything within reach (most especially yourself), where is there to progress to but up, or the grave?

[Hermit] Let us know when your dribbling mother shuffles off this mortal coil and you seek to reacquaint yourself with cognition and a modicum of respectability - or request your relatives to let us know when your body follows your brain into oblivion. Until then, the "Requiem Dees" thread will serve as an exclamatory punctuation for why you now have zero-credibility, and indeed, the reason why this response has been relegated to the pits.

As far as I can see, Dees has not changed one whit. When this inconsiderate, inconsistent, ignoramus repeatedly dribbles bullshit and animus all over those in his vicinity (to the point that sensible people get out of the way), while continuously asserting that his brand of shit is factual, nutritious and wholesome, and that anyone disagreeing must be a deluded, "liberal" (as if this is an insult), racist, antisemite or even merely "deficient" or "skewed"; then the ignoramus can hardly claim to have an honest perspective. Neither can the ignoramus validly object to insult when he uses it as a matter of course*. Even if the ignoramus is so deluded that he cannot tell when he uses insults and lies.

Hermitess

PS Davis, you are only "entitled" to be "enraged" when you measure your own actions on the same scale as with others. Taking your example, we need to measure the millions of Iraqi civilians deliberately killed and injured by the US (and according to her Secretary of State, "worth the cost" - a cost which the US did not pay), the USs use of force and blackmail to make International Law and the UN ineffectual (to the great danger of everyone - including civilians in the US); and the recent approval by the US of action designed to forever confirm the unprotected stateless condition of the vast majority of the Palestinian people who have fled the devastating genocidal situation in the Palestine created by the Israelis with full American support and complicity. If these "inconvenient facts" don't "enrage" you, then you have no right whatsoever to be "enraged" when much smaller "inconveniences" beset you in consequence.

PPS Davis, the CoV decided that comments on communications styles, quotations and responses made to assertions in our forums are not actionable.

*To remind the ignoramus:

In ("RE: Where Joe Dees finds his shit..." 2003-06-12 and 2003-06-13 Joe McPees previously pissed :

<snip>I am a Mensan (upper 2%) and an Illian (Intertel, just so's you'll know - upper 1%) with the highest GRE (that's Graduate Records Exam, also just so's you'll know) score in the history of my university, at which I won the Outstanding Student Award for Philosophy, in which I earned my magna cum laude BA.  My MA is in Humanities Interdisciplinary, with its four major tracks in philosophy, psychology, sociology and anthropology, and minor tracks in economics, political science and comparative religion.  My work has been published in the Journal of Semiotics, the International Journal of Diversity and Synergy, and has been featured on Witchvox.com as a power essay.  My poetry has been published in the Emerald Coast Review.  Some people don't like me because I have a nasty habit of intervening in the middle of their ideological knee-jerks with inconvenient facts.  You might try reading some of my essays, short stories and poems posted onlist before you make an even bigger fool of yourself by continuing to assert, in the face of massive posted evidence, that I lack intelligence or creativity.
Who exactly the fuck are you and just exactly what the fuck have you done?  Nothing, I'll wager, except to earn the antipathy of your betters via gratuitous and attention-hungry flaming.
<snip>
You are the best argument for retroactive abortion that I have recently encountered.  It is amazing to me that millions of years of evolution could culminate in the likes of you.  One can only hope that the error will be corrected and you will fail to reproduce.  To be called nothing by the likes of you is a badge of honor, as one is known by the calibre of their detractors.  By your own admission, you are not wanted here, so why are YOU still sticking around flaming your betters?  The answer is, because your attention-whore epithet is a shining example of a psychological projection of your own sick, twisted and demented tendencies.  You may call my greeting fake (as if you could know, or as if you know much of anything), but you don't even receive those.  And there are many on this board who support me, and have done so in the past; you are just blissfully oblivious of the fact - and, apparently, many others.
<snip>
And in ("Requiem Dees - In the pit" Joe McPees vomited:

To Carlita Hermie:
Denial is not a river in Egypt, you lying, dissembling egocentric, megalomanic, special-olympics-failing fuckwad.  And the dribble running down your lips is Saddam's warm sploodge.
So lick it.
Lick it good.

Then roll over, stick your ass in the air, start Waggin' her, and complete your Saddamite services. 
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« Reply #11 on: 2004-05-27 13:02:35 »
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[Jonathan Davis]
Joe sets out a legitimate and well argued position . He is not advocating
the murder of children or genocide or anything like the sort of things that
for example  Palestinian terrorists do deliberately and find passive support
in this forum.
<snip>


[rhinoceros]
Interesting example.
The forum has had the opportunity of an ample exposure to this "legitimate
and well argued position" and to Joe's special dedication to it for years.

- Did the virians evaluate Joe Dees incorrectly?
- Are they too passive or unwilling to allocate some more of their time to
be exposed to that position?
- Do they expect to do different things here?

Who can say what is hidden in the human psyche or in the cold numbers? At
the end of the day, CoV is stuck with its members' judgement when it comes
to resolving an argument or to allocating our time.

As a matter of fact, there are other forums out there which would be
ecstatic to have Joe tell them all about this position.

[Jonathan Davis 2]

Indeed. But he is welcome in this form too - at least I welcome him. I am
simply reminding this forum that whilst we are of course limited by our
collective and individual judgements, we are all subject to biases. Biases
often manifest themselves in hypocrisy and double standards. I detect such
double standards here on occasion.

If we are discussing political issues then expect to encounter diverse
views. If you are unhappy with diverse views, then petition the membership
to consider closing the CoV membership to people who swear some sort of
allegiance to a dogma or ideology.

If you do, might as well merge with the Church of Scientology :-)

Regards

Jonathan






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RE: virus: Joe's complaint
« Reply #12 on: 2004-05-27 13:05:13 »
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
Hermitess
Sent: 27 May 2004 17:31
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re:virus: Joe's complaint

[Long, vituperative cut and paste job snipped after scan]


It seems we have drawn back Hermit in his 'form' as Hermitess.

Welcome back Hermit (or have we switched to calling people by their
surnames, in which case Welcome back Wagener).

I take it Halliburton refused your application for a stint in Iraq?

Regards

Limbic
http://www.limbicnutrition.com/blog/

Note to Joe: Don't even bother rising to this one. It is a cheap attempt to
rile you into a ferocious and no doubt powerful demolition. Your
re-admission must have riled Hermit. This is his play to have you rebanned
as he senses the 'mood' is against you.

Maintain your standards. The he just sent is a throwback from a former, ugly
time that until he showed up again with this dolance of spleen, I though we
had put behind us.

You nailed him so badly the last time it was painful to watch. Please don't
subject us to that sight again :-)







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Re:virus: Joe's complaint
« Reply #13 on: 2004-05-27 14:19:54 »
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[Jonathan Davis]
If we are discussing political issues then expect to encounter diverse views. If you are unhappy with diverse views, then petition the membership to consider closing the CoV membership to people who swear some sort of allegiance to a dogma or ideology.
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[rhinoceros]
Jonathan, that brings up a question. You don't really hold more moderate views than Joe Dees, at least to my own judgement. Sometimes you have even called for a final blow by the Israeli army which will bring peace in Palestine while Joe Dees argues for a "balanced view", at least as he sees it. Also, you never avoid a good fight. With this in mind, here is my question:

The virians in Meridion have given you a respectable rating which makes your vote weigh 4 times more than a new member's.  These same virians have given Joe Dees a rating which entitles him to only 1/10 of a vote. That's right. After 6(?) years of presence here, with many honors in "Best of Virus" and such, the Meridion equates 10 Joes with 1 newbie.

I was a bit amused when I saw Erik say "Joe says so because he doesn't know any better" the other day, because Erik was, relatively speaking, a newbie; but if you think of it,  this is what it has come to.

My point is that the community perceives a big difference between you and Joe Dees which is not merely about a political position. This is a fact.

I can not offer an authoritative interpretation, like political analysts do after elections, but I can tell you my own opinion. You are a member of this community who happens to hold a strong unpopular position, while Joe Deed is someone holding a strong unpopular position who wants to use this community. His humor posts, his science posts, almost everything he does is at the service of this obsession -- articles containing little jabs. Even when he posts something different he often uses it as a trading card. Of course, all this does not give the visitors of the BBS a fair picture of what CoV is.

Your own interpretation of this observed difference in reputation between you and Joe Dees is welcome.
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