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The moral of the story being that nude French nuns with cute clenched buns might make Christianity altogether too attractive. Fortunately there is little chance of that. It is the ugly girls that are sent to the convents to wear bags over their heads.

As the mother superior said to the nun in a bikini, "It's very nice dear, but don't make a habit of it."



]]> eloign@gmail.com (Hermit) Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:33:39 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=63;action=display;threadid=42946;start=13;msg=172322
meanwhile...what do nuns wear in france? do french nuns have more fashion flair than the nuns from elsewhere...i'd like to know...a body bag is a body bag is a body bag..be it islamic or xian. waiting for the day sarkozy and france dictates how xian nuns in france are ruining their fashion reputation and decide to ban those ugly black body bags..curtailing women's freedoms by making them wear habits and whats with the towel over their shaved heads? put them in bikinis, he'd say..sarkozy..he's so *dreamy*]]> britannica@hotmail.com (Mermaid) Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:52:26 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=63;action=display;threadid=42946;start=13;msg=172321
it is ironic that muslim women are pitied in the 'western' world for their lack of freedoms in theor own lands and their 'imprisonment' behind veils is mourned by all the progressives, yet their choice to live behind veils is also condemned by western male patriarchy. cant a muslim sister get a fucking break?

now, before anyone brings it up..i do agree that public nudity is also frowned upon by many. that too is an infringement of freedom. those who would like to whine about it should work towards making public nudity acceptable rather than take away the few freedoms women enjoy on our planet.

p.s. france is not paris alone. ]]> britannica@hotmail.com (Mermaid) Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:44:44 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=69;action=display;threadid=42965;start=0;msg=172319
Fri Jul 3, 2009 8:21am EDT

By Daren Butler

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - What happens when you put a Muslim imam, a Christian priest, a rabbi and a Buddhist monk in a room with 10 atheists?

Turkish television station Kanal T hopes the answer is a ratings success as it prepares to launch a gameshow where spiritual guides from the four faiths will seek to convert a group of non-believers.

The prize for converts will be a pilgrimage to a holy site of their chosen religion -- Mecca for Muslims, the Vatican for Christians, Jerusalem for Jews and Tibet for Buddhists.

But religious authorities in Muslim but secular Turkey are not amused by the twist on the popular reality game show format and the Religious Affairs Directorate is refusing to provide an imam for the show.

"Doing something like this for the sake of ratings is disrespectful to all religions. Religion should not be a subject for entertainment programs," High Board of Religious Affairs Chairman Hamza Aktan told state news agency Anatolian after news of the planned program emerged.

The makers of "Penitents Compete" are unrepentant and reject claims that the show, scheduled to begin broadcasting in September, will cheapen religion.

"We are giving the biggest prize in the world, the gift of belief in God," Kanal T chief executive Seyhan Soylu told Reuters.

"We don't approve of anyone being an atheist. God is great and it doesn't matter which religion you believe in. The important thing is to believe," Soylu said.

The project focuses attention on the issue of religious identity in European Union-candidate Turkey, where rights groups have raised concerns over freedom of religion for non-Muslim minorities.

Detractors of the ruling AK Party government, which is rooted in political Islam but officially secular, accuse it of having a hidden Islamist agenda, a charge it denies.

Some 200 people have so far applied to take part in the show and the 10 contestants will be chosen next month.

A team of theologians will ensure that the atheists are truly non-believers and are not just seeking fame or a free holiday.

(Writing by Daren Butler; Editing by Dominic Evans)

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]]> wlwatts@cox.net (Walter Watts) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:07:13 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=63;action=display;threadid=42946;start=13;msg=172318 Quote from: Mermaid on Today at  03:17:20   

ridiculous. what about beards? dont they disguise/hide men's face too?

absurd.

With or without beards you can biometrically identify people by their face, as well as detect facial expressions. A burqa blocks both of these things . . . indeed many feminists have persuasively argued that this is exactly the purpose of a burqa, to strip women of their identity and to effectively exclude or discount them from meaningful social interaction. Whether or not that is in fact the intention of any particular woman who may or may not actually herself have chosen to wear one is completely irrellevant. Your right to wear a burqa is reasonably no greater than your right to wear a mask . . . or rather any other kind of mask, because that's exactly what a burqa is. To not recognize that is simply absurd.]]> every1hz@earthlink.net (MoEnzyme) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:37:57 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=32;action=display;threadid=42479;start=2;msg=172317

Tas6]]> erceerceerce@yahoo.com (Tas6) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:47:15 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=32;action=display;threadid=42899;start=7;msg=172316

I am so proud of him!
Tas6]]> erceerceerce@yahoo.com (Tas6) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:43:21 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=40405;start=16;msg=172315 Quote from: Blunderov on 2008-01-03 09:12:15   

Quote from: DJ_dAndroid on 2008-01-03 08:48:14    Back from R'lyeh and ready to party! LOLthulhu AKA H.P. Lolcraft Darnit we need a squiddy Cthulhu smiley! [Blunderov]This election bumper sticker as a prototype perhaps? ("Smiley" is perhaps not entirely appropriate to the evil one tho'...)

I was watching some F-nut doc. on the Scifi channel looking for Atlantis. Let us hope they find R'lyeh.
Check out Calls For Cthuthlu on youtube . It is a talk show hosted by the big C him/itself...]]> erceerceerce@yahoo.com (Tas6) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:32:37 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=42961;start=2;msg=172314
Note the significance of "feed the hungry" and "The Parable of the Widow's Son" in this context.

Hermit]]> eloign@gmail.com (Hermit) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:27:59 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=42467;start=5;msg=172313

Tas6
]]> erceerceerce@yahoo.com (Tas6) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:23:34 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=69;action=display;threadid=42912;start=17;msg=172312 Probe: Doomed Flight 447 fell intact into sea

Life vests weren’t inflated when Air France jet plunged into Atlantic in June

[ Hermit : While I am still rather partial to my earlier assessment of turbulence related issues coupled with technical problems leading to multiple instrument failures, compounded by systematic cockpit management failure concluded by an uncontrolled descent into terrain, at this point I would definitely not rule out sabotage or incompetence on the part of ground crew. ]

Source: MSNBC
Authors: Not Credited
Dated: 2009-07-02
Dateline: France, Le Bourget
Related: Unlinkable video segment available from source page

Air France Flight 447 slammed into the Atlantic Ocean, intact and belly first, at such a high speed that the 228 people aboard probably had no time to even inflate their life jackets, French investigators said Thursday in their first report into the June 1 accident.

Likening the investigation to a puzzle with missing pieces, lead investigator Alain Bouillard said that one month after the crash, "we are very far from establishing the causes of the accident."

Problematic speed sensors on the Airbus A330-200 jet that have been the focus of intense speculation since the crash may have misled the plane's pilots but were not a direct cause, Bouillard said, while admitting that investigators are still a long way from knowing what did precipitate the disaster.

"The investigation is a big puzzle," said Bouillard, who is leading the probe for the French accident agency BEA. "Today we only have a few pieces of the puzzle which prevents us from even distinguishing the photo of the puzzle."

The plane was flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris when it went down in a remote area of the Atlantic, 930 miles off Brazil's mainland and far from radar coverage.

The BEA released its first preliminary findings on the crash Thursday, calling it one of history's most challenging plane crash investigations. Yet the probe, which has operated without access to the plane's flight data and voice recorders, appears so far to have unveiled little about what really caused the accident.

The speed sensors, called Pitot tubes, are "a factor but not the only one," Bouillard said. "It is an element but not the cause," Bouillard told a news conference in Le Bourget outside Paris.

Other elements that came under scrutiny in the immediate aftermath of the crash, such as the possibility that heavy storms or lightning may have brought down the jet, were also downplayed in the BEA's presentation.

Meteorological data show the presence of storm clouds in the area the jet would have flown through, but nothing out of the ordinary for the equatorial region in June, Bouillard said, eliminating the theory that the plane could have encountered a storm of unprecedented power. Other flights through the area shortly after Flight 447 disappeared didn't report unusual weather, Bouillard said.

"Between the surface of the water and 35,000 feet, we don't know what happened," Bouillard admitted. "In the absence of the flight recorders, it is extremely difficult to draw conclusions."

Black boxes still missing

A burst of automated messages emitted by the plane before it fell gave rescuers only a vague location to begin their search, which has failed to locate the plane's black boxes in the vast ocean expanse.

The chances of finding the flight recorders are falling daily as the signals they emit fade. Without them, the full causes of the tragic accident may never be known.

One of the automatic messages indicates the plane was receiving incorrect speed information from the external monitoring instruments, which could destabilize its control systems. Experts have suggested those external instruments might have iced over.

The Pitots have not been "excluded from the chain that led to the accident," Bouillard said.

Analysis of the 600-odd pieces of the jet that have been recovered indicate the plane "was not destroyed in flight" and appeared to have hit the water intact and "belly first," gathering speed as it dropped thousands of feet, he said.

He also said investigators have found "neither traces of fire nor traces of explosives."

Bouillard said air traffic controllers in Dakar, Senegal had never officially taken control of Flight 447 after its last radio contact with Brazilian flight controllers at 1:35 a.m., and it wasn't until up to seven hours later that flight controllers in Madrid and Brest, France raised an alarm. He said the delay was being investigated but was not a cause of the crash.

Brazilian Air Force Col. Henry Munhoz said all required information on the plane's flight plan was passed to Senegalese air controllers.

Some members of the crash victims' families said that without a clear cause to blame the accident on, the interim report held little significance.

Marco Tulio Moreno Marques, a 43-year-old lawyer in Rio de Janeiro, lost both his parents in the crash. He did not bother watching the French investigators' public presentation, saying that without the black boxes, he was skeptical of any findings.

"I think it is difficult that they will ever find out what happened," he said. "They can say a flying saucer hit the plane, but if they don't find the black boxes we will never know for certain what happened."

'Significant' it landed belly up

Kieran Daly, editor of Air Transport Intelligence, said although investigators seem to know very little about what happened due to "a horrendous lack of evidence," it is significant that the plane landed the right way up.

"It suggests they were in some kind of flight attitude," he said.

But he warned that "without finding the black boxes it's going to be phenomenally difficult, maybe impossible, to determine what happened."

Bouillard said life vests found among the wreckage were not inflated, suggesting passengers were not prepared for a crash landing in the water. The pilots apparently also did not send any mayday calls.

He said there was "no information" suggesting a need to ground the world's fleet of more than 600 A330 planes as a result of the crash.

"As far as I'm concerned there's no problem flying these aircraft," he said.

Air France said all elements of the investigation "will be fully and immediately taken into account by the airline" and that it is continuing to cooperate with the investigators with "a commitment to total transparency with regard to the investigators, its passengers and the general public."

The black boxes — which are in reality bright orange — are resting somewhere on an underwater mountain range filled with crevasses and rough, uneven terrain. Bouillard said the search for them has been extended by 10 days through July 10, while his investigation would run through Aug. 15.

Bouillard said French investigators have yet to receive any information from Brazilian authorities about the results of the autopsies on the 51 bodies recovered from the site.

But a spokesman for the Public Safety Department in Brazil's Pernambuco state — in charge of the autopsies — denied that.

"French medical examiners are working together with Brazilian medical examiners and they have full access to all the information obtained from autopsies," the spokesman said on condition of anonymity according to department rules.

Families of the victims met with officials from BEA, Air France and the French transport ministry before the report was released. An association of families addressed a letter to the CEO of Air France, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, demanding answers to several questions about the plane.

Investigators should have an easier time recovering debris and clues in the crash of a Yemeni Airbus 310 with 153 people on board that went down Tuesday just nine miles north of the Indian Ocean island-nation of Comoros.]]> eloign@gmail.com (Hermit) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:18:36 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=42961;start=2;msg=172311 ]]> erceerceerce@yahoo.com (Tas6) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:13:47 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=42962;start=5;msg=172310 The Virian virtues of Reason, Empathy and Vision, are in my experience the very bed rock of mysticism and its' quest.

Reason: without it a mystic is doomed to take what ever dregs that come up from his subconscious as reality. In other words, if an mystical experience cannot be applied directly to your everyday life in a practical manor then it is delusion at best and insanity at worst.

Empathy: the universe/reality is not human (or sentient in my experience), in working towards experiencing and transforming one's self, one must learn to hone empathy to a razor's edge as it is your connection to everything.

Vision: to see beyond the box, to allow oneself to take the road of a Striving-person, it is also drive and inspiration. Without vision there is no mystic or scientist and for that matter no human being. This is not in any way a supernatural function, it is a natural as imagining a
blue sky. Vision=Reason+Empathy.

Virian Illumination/Enlightenment: Sapience
All this functions upon the individual Awakening the three virtues to a unitive functioning state: Sapience. Which I would not describe a salvation in the christian context (I would use the term Awakening or Meta-cognition for Virian salvation myself) but would fit closer to the term Gnosis: direct experiential knowledge. But for it to be Sapience it must be practical and able to be applied in a way that serves the individual in their life.  Sapience= Vision(Reason+Empathy), the goal of Virian Mysticism, the unitive state where you are your meme.

I am a meme in the Virus, I will not fear my mortality!

Tas6
Virian Mystic]]> erceerceerce@yahoo.com (Tas6) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:01:04 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=69;action=display;threadid=42964;start=1;msg=172309
Which is why Israel has only a few options left:

• She may, however unlikely, somehow overcome the obstacles it has established for itself over the past 60 years and establish a true two state solution with the Palestinians, even if they are ruled by the perfectly legitimate, elected, Hamas Government.
  
• She may increase her genocidal ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, possibly even forcing them out of her territories and in consequence become an international pariah. This would indubitably mean that she will pose a huge nuclear armed threat to the USA and global stability for some time, but will eventually collapse and be overrun as the area can no longer sustain the population they already have without external support, even if they eliminate, as their current pogrom against the Palestinians suggests they would like, all the Palestinians.
  
• She may cease to exist as an Israeli State and transition, probably via a brutal apartheid era, into a normal secular state, definitely having to adjust to Jews being in the minority and potentially transitioning through a period where Hamas runs the country and reverse discrimination is the norm.
  
• She may be disestablished as a consequence of having destroyed her own legitimacy, and ultimately depopulated. This is in many ways the most attractive option as it would ultimately eliminate the threat of massive armouries of nuclear and biological weapons and the means to deliver them in the hands of unprincipled, delusional and desperate people.

Until then, American politicians will quite possibly continue to use American tax dollars to fund apartheid Israel's wonderful socialist cradle to grave support system (at least for Jewish people), including guaranteed housing, full unemployment benefits and universal health care, all while denying the same to citizens of the USA, to the tune of billions of dollars a year.

Makes you think, doesn't it.]]> eloign@gmail.com (Hermit) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:52:30 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=63;action=display;threadid=42946;start=13;msg=172308
[Hermit] While it is, of course, true that the Mermaid is not French and apparently utterly fails to comprehend the civilization of France, and perhaps doesn't even think very much of it, perhaps she misses the point that it is not for her to dictate how the French should think of these things.

[Hermit] In France and in countries where the French influence was pervasive, including Islamic countries like the Lebanon, people tend to be proud of their bodies and celebrate them with flair and style. The idea that because there may potentially be some "lechers, losers and bigots" in the audience (how do you tell the difference, and what is wrong with lechery anyway?), means that people should not dress, or undress to exhibit themselves as well as they can, sounds like a total logical collapse.

[Hermit] Why, if we take Mermaid's attitude to its logical conclusion, the presence of a single "lecher, loser or bigot" would immediately cause the closure of every naturist resort, topless beach and fashion mall in a country, and then what would you have? Brighton on a rainy day. I find it difficult to think of anything more depressing.

[Hermit] When visiting a tourist destination, the French (and the Russian and the Lebanese and Vietnamese and many others from French cultures) visitor is usually immediately identifiable. On a beach they tend not to have tan lines and elsewhere they are tend to be dressed to the nines. They don't have to be, and clearly they cannot know if the audience is filled with "lechers, losers and bigots" or not, but that doesn't matter. For the person with a French attitude, it is about the self, not about the other, and relinquishing that self-pride to become accepting of the mindset of people who think that hiding under a bag - whether for religious reasons or logical failure - is desirable, would be rather sad.

[Hermit] And make no mistake, the fact that Polynesian ladies no longer perambulate in the nude but bury themselves under mother-hubbards and the modern equivalents, shows how just a few people, whether missionaries, mistaken moralists or militant misogynists can destroy an entire culture.]]> eloign@gmail.com (Hermit) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:39:41 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=63;action=display;threadid=42946;start=13;msg=172307
A person who goes into a public space gives up a certain amount of their right to privacy; it is a 'public space'. But  person may object to being photographed by a stranger (but not to photographs being taken from the street of their homes) - unless they are doing something illegal. Yet there are surveillance cameras at every turn and these  are perfectly legal whether the subjects are doing anything illegal or not; they are considered to be in the greater interest I suppose.

A person is entitled to the privacy of their bodies whether in a public space or not - unless they are being body searched by the police. Similarly with identities although, again, not always; certain officials may demand one's name and address under certain circumstances. The test for permissible privacy (in the legal sense) is usually, I believe, whether a person is exercising that right with an intent to defraud or not; whether it is so to speak, an 'honest' privacy or a devious one. This is not always so easy to determine from mere appearances though.

In the case of, for instance, Muslim women who wish to shield themselves from lascivious gazing it is clear (to me) that they meet this test; it is not their intention to defraud or deceive. But if the practice were to arise of criminals disguising themselves as Muslim women in order to perpetrate robberies it might well transpire that the burqa would be banned in places where cash was kept. Again (what is considered to be) the greater interest would probably take precedence.

So yes, I agree that persons should be able to conceal themselves in public by means of clothing if they so choose, if and only if, it is not with mischievous intent.

Is promoting a religious agenda by means of costume mischievous? It might be construed as such depending on the social context. Apparently Sarkozy thinks that, in France anyway, this does amount to an inflammatory act. I don't happen to agree. But it is possible to imagine circumstances where, no matter what the intent, it might properly be considered in the greater interest of an orderly society to ban certain clothing.

The whole subject of public privacy is rife with contradiction and ambiguity. I think that it is useful to remember that there are various different sorts of privacy and correspondingly different motivations behind them. Of course one should also take into consideration what the motivations of the authorities might be in any particular instance!


]]> squooker@mweb.co.za (Blunderov) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:58:36 +0100 http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=63;action=display;threadid=42946;start=13;msg=172306
also, i dont think women(muslim or not) need to indulge men(or women's) need to appreciate the female form. we dont have to give it up for free. women should have the right to hide their bodies, faces, hair, whatever from lechers and losers. and bigots.]]> britannica@hotmail.com (Mermaid) Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:17:20 +0100