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« Reply #30 on: 2003-09-21 13:33:49 »
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And from the various readings I have done, crunches do little for the tummy
area in terms of toning unless done in massive quantities (100's of reps)
whereas sit-ups have a more profound impact on several muscle areas in the
same region. My problem is that with age, my lower back does not have the
flexibility that it once had and more than 40 sit-ups per day seem to cause
stiffness/soreness in that area. Just saw an infomercial for the "Bowflex"
machine which looked interesting and certainly convenient because of its
ability to be stored on a closet (thus avoiding a trip to the gym), but I
will have to look into it a bit more mainly because of its price.

Thoughts anyone?

JL

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keep in mind jerry lee...situps get you a tight tummy....even if it's
underneath a layer of fat.  fat deposits commonly occur in that area first.

change your diet.  i highly suggest fish!  it seems to just go right through

you for the most part...with lots of nutrition to boot.



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oops..*you* cant be wrong...my bad?

what exactly is a 'sit up' anyways?

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« Reply #31 on: 2003-09-21 16:54:41 »
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[Kalkor]A sit-up contrasts with a crunch in that you involve the hip flexor

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ok..i mistook a sit up for a squat(dont ask...i dont know why) a sit up seems to be what i refer to as a curl-up...thanks.
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« Reply #32 on: 2003-09-22 12:24:27 »
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Doc Sebby has it right this time - the ONLY thing that will rid fat from
any area is overall fat loss, which is mainly achieved through dietary
discipline.  Lean meats and veggies should be 90% of your diet.  When
you eat fat, don't eat it with carbs.  That's the majority of it.  Sweat
all you can.  Build more muscle.

(I've rather learned how to get off on self-discipline...)

-Michelle


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« Reply #33 on: 2003-09-22 12:46:15 »
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[Kalkor} In fact, I would suggest Michelle go there too; you mentioned
doing heavy lifting 3 days a week. What is your goal with this?
http://exrx.net/WeightTraining/LowVolumeTraining.html

[Michelle] I actually obsessively read all of ExRx.com's weight training
and nutrition articles around December 2001, which helped me
tremendously in getting back into the gym.  I used to lift heavy in high
school with what guidance was available then (generally just football
players), and used a private trainer in '93 for a few month, so I know
I've always loved the challenge, but the trainer I'm with now (for about
20 months so far) is really amazing.  He does a lot of work with OHSU on
their ageing and bone density studies and does rehabilitation, besides
personal training. 

I have tried some of the single-set HIGH intensity "superslow" work, and
it is incredibly valuable.  It's also very mentally difficult and the
level of breakdown & repair is a lot for a beginner to take (emotional
rollercoaster while body is healing).  I do not recommend superslow for
a beginning weight trainer psychologically, though it's by far more
effective physically, as it both eliminates the possibility of lifting
too heavy and injuring yourself and teaches you how 1) keep perfect form
and 2) really try as hard as you possibly can - go till you cry and/or
vomit.  It's very taxing.

What I do is a little easier on the brain but does increase mass &
strength very well.  I've been lifting for, like I said, 20 months (this
time around), and I've lost some dress sizes and built a lot of
definition.  And I did a triathlon.  I guess I can brag a little - I
just got an 800 lb leg press, a 240 bench press and a 170 lb bicep curl.
We (I work out in a group) use a session like this:

warmup set - for beginners we do 25 reps of extremely light weight;
for seasoned lifters we do 12 reps at a weight that isn't too fatiguing
but gets your muscles a little hot

then 12 @ about 40-50% of 1-rep max
8 @ 60% of max
4 @ 70% of max
1 @ max
12 @ 70% of max cooldown

with LOTS of rest in between so that fatigue, which is temporary, gives
way by the end of cooldown to total muscle failure.

Anyway, if you're willing to work hard enough to get superior strength,
through that level of commitment, the rest falls into place, or at least
it has in my case.  The added muscle mass, the carb burn, the excitement
and camaraderie of your training buddies, the encouragement of a trainer
(big motivator for me), all serve to help me keep that ice cream out of
my mouth.

And by the way, I do NOT look like a steroided out bodybuilder.  I know
men who weigh 140 lbs and leg press 1200 lbs.  Without drugs, your body
will only get as big as your genetics allow.

Hope this helps anyone thinking about lifting - I'm happy to discuss at
any time.  Hope I didn't ramble too much, either...

-Michelle


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« Reply #34 on: 2003-09-22 13:47:53 »
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hey michelle! i have ceased all upper body weight training except the use of stairmaster's gravitron 2000AT. it is the version with the weight stack. old timers may remember the pneumatic model which, btw, has been discontinued for a long time now. unlike conventional chin up bars and pull up bars, you can select the weight you want to lift. i like it better than the other resistance training machines and free weights. ultimately, i'd like to be able to lift my own body weight. i am a long way from there. i am slowly developing an allergy towards free weights and leaning more towards yoga/pilates etc. i dont know if its a passing phase or if this is something i will eventually settle into for the long haul. it seems to me(and its only my opinion...and so it applies only to me when i state this) that strenous weight training is inhibiting my flexibility. i feel 'taut'..not 'stretched' and i dont want to feel taut.

the 'superslow' workout is way beyond my capabilities right now. i think it would be fair to say that its more than psychological impediments that severely discourages me from going that way. the 'pyramid' didnt keep me interested long either.
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« Reply #35 on: 2003-09-22 14:26:53 »
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Howdy Mermaid!

Sounds like you're pursuing what works for you.  I would stay away from
Pilates if you're not already addicted (many of the exercises have been
shown to be counterproductive once a patient is past bedridden (as in,
up and about)), but yoga rules!  I'm going to be taking some starting
10/1 myself.  But I hate to hear people say that weight training is
making them less flexible.  The thing is, with proper form you can only
get more flexible as your body is stretched at the "bottom" and "top" of
each movement with heavy weight on it.  It's only when people cheat
themselves on the form by shortening the movement to something easier
instead of pushing those last few inches that they get short fat
musculature that stays tense.  (For example, a bicep curl should go all
the way from fully extended arms to fully closed elbows (weight at
chest/shoulders).  NOT from bent to more bent.)

What kind of yoga do you like?  I'm going to try the hot room yoga and
I'm just learning about different approaches.  I respect yoga immensely.

(PS - I LOVE the gravitron)



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« Reply #36 on: 2003-09-22 16:08:56 »
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oh no! dont get me wrong! i am not against weight training! not being the most graceful person on legs, i seem to be injuring my back, knees and ankles a lot these days...working out gets to be a pain in the back..literally...that leads to me being stiff..which in turn makes it difficult to return to the weight room...and so on...it just isnt working for me right now...yoga and pilates(i call it the fuck bench.. it feels like a lover) is more gentle...languid even..

i cant tear myself away from the gravitron because i think it evokes something primal in me when i hang down like an ape..so much for evolution......purely for symmetrical purposes, leg press at 110(12, 10, 8 reps)

i have no idea re the type of yoga. for as long as i remember, my grandfather always started his day with yoga. he taught me some and we were also taught yoga in school. i did go to the sivananda ashram for a while. but thats only because my doctor insisted i take instruction there and he was very cute. it was only there i learnt the valuable instruction about proper breathing techniques. i have no idea what they follow..probably a mixture of hatha yoga and raja yoga. i was too distracted to take notes. i have never heard of hot room yoga. whats *that*?
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« Reply #37 on: 2003-09-22 16:13:32 »
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...funny   i actually thought this an impossible question to make
sincerely...so i interpreted it as an attempt to provoke me.  i couldnt for
the life of me figure out why, but i thought it best to probably stay
silent.  i guess i forgot your foreign origins might include a different
vernacular.

...a side story; my sister made it all the way to 21yrs old before she
suddenly deduced that the written word "wren-de-zevus" was one in the same
with the pronounced word, "rendezvouz".  she had even come up with a
slightly different meaning for the two.  what were the odds of that!?



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[Kalkor]A sit-up contrasts with a crunch in that you involve the hip flexor

SNIP

ok..i mistook a sit up for a squat(dont ask...i dont know why) a sit up
seems to be what i refer to as a curl-up...thanks.

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« Reply #38 on: 2003-09-22 16:29:53 »
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[DrSebby]...funny  i actually thought this an impossible question to make sincerely...so i interpreted it as an attempt to provoke me.  i couldnt for the life of me figure out why, but i thought it best to probably stay silent.  i guess i forgot your foreign origins might include a different vernacular.

[Mermaid] hah! btw...i am sure 'sit up' is a pretty universal term..its just me...for some reason, i associated it with squats..like i said, dont ask...i have *no* idea why....
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« Reply #39 on: 2003-09-22 17:31:22 »
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I'm glad you haven't given weight training the evil label yet!

Hot yoga is actually "Bikram yoga", done in a hot (105 deg F) room for
more sweating and easier stretching.  Bikram yoga is a specific series
of poses, apparently (I'm still researching!)

I see somewhere in my googling that it is Hatha yoga.

www.bikramyoga.com


And from bikramyoganyc.com,

"Bikram yoga is a demanding, 26 pose (asana) series.  This is conducted
in a heated room to warm up your whole body, and allows you to work deep
into your muscles, tendons and ligaments to change your body from the
inside out.  Bikram yoga is a process that can reduce the symptoms of
many chronic diseases, and is an excellent preventative activity for
parts of the body that are healthy.  The class is designed for all
levels, first time students and experienced practitioners alike.  In
time, you'll learn to focus your mind and control your breath, leading
you to work harder, deeper, and calmer.  As you improve this
relationship you will realize the true meaning of yoga: a union of the
body, mind and spirit.  Bikram yoga increases flexibility, improves
circulation and reduces stress, to provide and infinite number of
benefits."



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« Reply #40 on: 2003-09-23 10:09:28 »
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Are you in London, Michelle?

Bikram is huge here. My girlfriend goes to Bikram West in Kensal Green.  I
have been down a few times, but I find it hellish. The smell of 1000 litres
of sweat baked into the carpet and the heat, that unbearable heat....

Anyway.

It has done amazing things for many of the people I know who do it.

Regards

Jonathan

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I'm glad you haven't given weight training the evil label yet!

Hot yoga is actually "Bikram yoga", done in a hot (105 deg F) room for more
sweating and easier stretching.  Bikram yoga is a specific series of poses,
apparently (I'm still researching!)

I see somewhere in my googling that it is Hatha yoga.

www.bikramyoga.com


And from bikramyoganyc.com,

"Bikram yoga is a demanding, 26 pose (asana) series.  This is conducted in a
heated room to warm up your whole body, and allows you to work deep into
your muscles, tendons and ligaments to change your body from the inside out.
Bikram yoga is a process that can reduce the symptoms of many chronic
diseases, and is an excellent preventative activity for parts of the body
that are healthy.  The class is designed for all levels, first time students
and experienced practitioners alike.  In time, you'll learn to focus your
mind and control your breath, leading you to work harder, deeper, and
calmer.  As you improve this relationship you will realize the true meaning
of yoga: a union of the body, mind and spirit.  Bikram yoga increases
flexibility, improves circulation and reduces stress, to provide and
infinite number of benefits."



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« Reply #41 on: 2003-09-23 10:22:15 »
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Update
I'm getting pretty tired now, but others have noticed I have a lot more energy recently.

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« Reply #42 on: 2003-09-23 17:52:28 »
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here's an idea: how about "before and after" pictures...
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That's a great idea!  Nothing's more motivating than evidence.


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« Reply #44 on: 2003-09-24 13:58:28 »
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[Jonathan] Are you in London, Michelle?

Bikram is huge here. My girlfriend goes to Bikram West in Kensal Green.
I have been down a few times, but I find it hellish. The smell of 1000
litres of sweat baked into the carpet and the heat, that unbearable
heat....

[Michelle] It does seem rather excessive, but I expect to enjoy the
benefits of a sauna along with the yoga... if I can only make it through
the class.  (*crossed fingers*)  No carpet in this studio, thank
goodness, so hopefully the stench will start at zero at the beginning of
class, rather than lingering from years of ick. 

I'm in Portland, Oregon, which is technically not a very large city but
the people are quite forward-thinking.  Things catch on quickly here.
Especially anything the slightest bit woo-woo.



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