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[ Hermit  : I don't usually bother with anything our troll has to say unless somebody else comments on it first, but this one is such a perfect example of a complete collapse of the ability to detect fallacies that it is worth reading a competent response. Justin Raimondo (Editor in Chief at Antiwar.com) has performed a nice rebuttal of these smears (even if I don't appreciate his abuse of "liberal" no matter how qualified) and has included sufficient material that you don't need to read the screeds of brainless pustulence regurgitated here by our troll in order to see why these purported criticisms of Obama represent a failure of intelligence - not to mention taste and character. Worth noting in passing our troll's habit of cutting and pasting multiple spewings all vying with another to demonstrate the greatest degree of bigotry into a single drive-by trolling. ]

Smearing Obama

Every antiwar candidate has to endure the same hate campaign

Source: Antiwar.com
Authors: Justin Raimondo
Dated: 2008-03-17

The smear machine is taking out after Barack Obama, and with a vengeance. Not that this is surprising, or even anything new: they've been conducting a low-level hate campaign ever since he attained front-runner status, and now they're going into overdrive with a commentary by Ron Kessler in the Wall Street Journal that uses the same guilt-by-association technique that they used against Ron Paul.

With Paul, it was tarring him with the brush of "white nationalism," even though any sort of nationalism – white, black, pink, or purple – is anathema to libertarians of Paul's ilk. That didn't stop the character assassins, however – including those Beltway "libertarians" who have imbibed the political correctness that is de rigueur on the Washington cocktail-party circuit. Newsletters written during the 1980s, excoriating race rioters and opining that they reflected the welfare-state mentality that pervaded our politics at the time, were condemned by these worthies because to even address the culture of entitlement in the black community is supposedly prima facie evidence of "racism." A campaign contribution from an obscure racist was blown up as proof positive that Paul is hoping for the revival of the Third Reich, although no one can be held responsible for who contributes to their campaign, and certainly the money – $500 – was to be used to achieve political objectives that aren't even remotely connected to racism or bigotry of any sort.

In the case of Obama, the assault is taking the form of an attack on the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the now-retired pastor of Obama's church whom Obama describes as a religious "mentor" in his autobiography The Audacity of Hope. Again, the basic strategy is to make Obama answer for each and every one of Wright's pronouncements, no matter how wacky or lame-brained, such as the contention that AIDS was created by the U.S. government. Aside from the logical fallacy inherent in the guilt-by-association tact – after all, Obama didn't say AIDS was a U.S. government plot, Wright did – implicit in all this is the assumption that all blacks believe the same thing, that they are a collective entity linked by some sort of ethnic consciousness, and, therefore, Obama can and must be held responsible for Wright's opinions on every subject under the sun, including those he had no knowledge of.

So, what, aside from the AIDS comment, did Wright say that was so terrible? The War Street Journal piece simply quotes these, without offering much of an argument for their iniquitous nature. Here's Wright on racism and foreign policy:

"We've got more black men in prison than there are in college. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run, Jesse [Jackson], and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."

Of course, Wright's contention that "no black man will ever be considered for president" is refuted by the very fact of Obama's front-runner status. Perhaps only Hillary Clinton – who recently offered Obama the vice presidency, in spite of the fact that he's ahead of her by every measure – and a few yahoos out in the sticks are stuck in this old mindset. As for the rest, it's undeniably true. We do have more black men in prison than in college – way more. Racism is alive and well; driving while black is still a dangerous pastime. This country was founded with a near-fatal flaw in the constitutional order, one that permitted slavery to continue for another hundred years. While I don't agree with everything Wright says in this statement, I don't see anything that isn't part of the broad spectrum of popular opinion in this country, though a lot of what he says may be considered out of bounds for the elites.

Kessler, however, is convinced that it is only necessary to repeat what Wright has said: no explanation is really required. In the same vein, he continues citing Wright:

"Mr. Wright thundered on: 'America is still the No. 1 killer in the world…. We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers…. We bombed Cambodia, Iraq, and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi…. We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.' [ Hermit : Of course, if Nelson Mandela were found guilty of organizing the delivery of railway cars loaded with explosives and weapons to a North American black liberation movement today, the judge would undoubtedly have only a choice of execution or a life sentence without the option of parole. But that is a different subject entirely. ]

But of course the American government is the number-one killer in the world: we pride ourselves on it. Why else would our "defense" budget exceed the military expenditures of all other nations combined? We glory in our ability to kill, and we don't hesitate to exercise our talents. In Iraq alone, the U.S. invasion has led to as many as a million deaths. [ Hermit : More than that when you include Iraqi on Iraqi violence as being a consequence of our illegal war of aggression. ]

The racial aspect of all this is dramatized, in rather vivid terms, by the Pentagon's refusal to count Iraqi deaths. Only American casualties are reported, because only Americans matter, as John McCain avers in his rationalization of the war and continued occupation:

"We've been in Japan for 60 years, we've been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That'd be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That's fine with me."

As long as it's mainly Iraqis being killed, then that's just fine with McCain. Another war he supported, and continues to valorize, killed, maimed, and traumatized millions of Vietnamese, but the "gooks" – as McCain unapologetically put it – don't count, either. It was American, not Vietnamese, casualties that triggered our retreat from Southeast Asia. In the Philippines, too, where water-boarding was a routine method of interrogation, we slaughtered thousands, justifying our savagery with the "progressive" (at the time) rhetoric of moral and cultural uplift, the 19th-century equivalent of "it takes a village." Teddy Roosevelt, McCain's idol, preached this doctrine and was lionized by the liberals of his era as a great innovator and a heroic figure.

Racism is closely linked to imperialism, and it doesn't take a genius to understand why. Since, by definition, a policy of conquest means conquering foreigners, and these peoples are often, albeit not always, of another race, it behooves the conqueror to rationalize his aggression in racial terms. "Take up the white man's burden" – up until very recently, Kipling's poetic phrase has been the leitmotif and battle cry of the global Anglo hegemon. It was, and is, a world order founded on racism, mercantilism, and militarism, the three pillars of hegemonist thought. Yet the Wall Street Journal has its own version of history and is certainly no critic of mercantilism, either historic or contemporary. In any case, the Journal's real beef with Wright isn't mentioned until midway through Kessler's piece:

"His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, 'We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic…. We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means….'"

One wonders on what grounds Kessler or the Journal would dispute Wright's contention; alas, we can only speculate, since no argument is even attempted. The evil of Wright's remarks is apparently self-evident – except it isn't.

We have supported Israel unconditionally, in spite of Israel's defiance on the settlements issue and its continued occupation of conquered territory that imposes what former President Jimmy Carter rightly likens to a system of apartheid. Worse, we have encouraged Israeli aggression, cheering on and actively aiding the invasion of Lebanon and conflating Israel's right of "self-defense" with a policy of expansionism.

As for branding critics of Israel as anti-Semites, is Kessler really maintaining that this never happens? It's the smear-of-first-resort of the Israel-first lobby, as professors John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt have recently discovered. Everyone knows that to traduce this terrain is to walk through a political minefield, which is why most American politicians scrupulously avoid it – a testament, by the way, to the trenchancy of the Mearsheimer-Walt thesis that the Israel lobby wields an inordinate and ultimately unhealthy influence over the conduct of American foreign policy.

There was a similar brouhaha from those quarters when Obama opined that "nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people." The Lobby's antennae quivered – doesn't he know who holds the official monopoly on suffering? – and they've been on him ever since.

The rest of Kessler's piece is an extension of the guilt-by-association technique, in which a new factor is added to the Obama = Wright equation: Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam. Wright's church magazine apparently gave Farrakhan some sort of award, so now the equation is Obama = Wright = Farrakhan. This feeds directly into the widely circulated rumor that Obama, having imbibed Islam in Indonesia, is a secret Muslim – a jihadist at heart.

The smear campaign against Obama has just begun. As he wins primary after primary, racking up delegates and leaving Hillary in the electoral dust, these gusts of slanderous invective will take on full gale force. What we are witnessing is the first stage of a calculated attempt to characterize the putative Democratic nominee as a secret Muslim, a black nationalist, and a 3 a.m. threat to hearth and home.

The author of this piece, Kessler, is the head honcho over at Newsmax.com, a site that is the prototypical example of right-wing "movement" hackery. During the Clinton years, it used to run stuff about Vince Foster and the alleged Clinton connection to his death. Today they are shilling for the Clintons, carrying out the widely noted Clintonian scorched-earth strategy of making Obama unelectable, then biding their time until 2012. Talk about strange bedfellows – or, on second thought, not so strange.

Clearly, Obama is the candidate the neoconservatives fear and loathe: the loathing is on account of his antiwar views, at least when it comes to Iraq, and the fear stems from the fact that campaigning against him will be difficult. Hillary they can handle: she'll mobilize the troops and weld together the fractured Republican coalition in opposition.

The War Party is in full battle mode, and it is determined to destroy Obama. Will it succeed? Stay tuned…
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"This feeds directly into the widely circulated rumor that Obama, having imbibed Islam in Indonesia, is a secret Muslim – a jihadist at heart."


Aside from being a blatant lie, it doesn't even form a hypothetically believable rumor. The very notion of being secretly Muslim sounds absurd to anyone who actually knows a few things about Islam. Praying five times a day and explicit rules that apply to every aspect of an adhereant's life, makes the faith of a Muslim a public display for believers and non-believers alike. Indeed I think that is part of Islam's memetic program for growth and retention. It would be an anathema to the kind of social control Islam exerts on its flock if being a "secret Muslim" were an option.
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Mo, for those who don't know, it might help to observe that unlike Christianity, Islam ostensibly has no requirement for people to "believe." Rather they simply have to adhere to a set of performance based rules, observance of which, as you explained, is pretty impossible to hide. Of course, to an uninvolved observer, it is pretty hard to imagine somebody not believing in Islam wanting to follow the rules.
Perhaps worth mentioning that the most important rule might be to support all widows and orphans - it doesn't allow exclusions if the reason that they are widowed or orphaned is because a parent or partner was a suicide bomber or killed by a state actor - which goes a long way towards explaining why Islamic charities - and Muslims - keep being prosecuted for "supporting terrorism" when they are simply following their rules in providing this support.
This also explains why Islamic societies tax people who are not Muslims living in their communities - it is, at least in theory, so that the society can make these contributions on behalf of the unbelievers amongst them. Even if this results in the society being accused of supporting terrorism. Which is exactly what we see in the Lebanon and Palestine, as well as for Iran and Iraq. The Israelis,  and by extension the Americans, believing fervidly that the widows and orphans of suicide bombers should be made homeless and starved as an example to others of the evils of having a dead member of the resistance against the ongoing Israeli occupation as a parent. Considering how the Israelis and Americans fete those who resisted the somewhat less illegal (at the time), but not-dissimilar-in-effect, Nazi occupations of Europe, it might be understood when this apparent difference in approach is seen as bigotry. Unless, perhaps, you are one of the bigots.

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"Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Mr. Obama and his wife Michelle have presumably sat through numerous similar sermons by Mr. Wright."

[Blunderov] An interesting variation on the "all good Scotsmen" fallacy. One for the connoisseur; even takes a swipe at his wife en passant. The age of chivalry is long gone apparently - but then I do not suppose that the coneheads ever knew that there even was one.

"Mr" Wright appears to have the facts at his fingertips - for the most part; the AIDS thing is a bit OTT but otherwise he seems quite sound. I wonder if there could be any denunciation of America which is too strong? Seems hard to believe. There never has been a nation of such complete arseholes ever before as far as I can tell - present company (for the most part) excepted of course.

Apparently our troll wishes McCain to become the next POTUS. (A reliable neocon bellweather, our troll. Nobody can ever read any of his "posts" without becoming acutely aware of what the exact talking points are that have been handed out to the goblin hordes but I digress.) I thoroughly agree that McCain should be the next president. I hope that America goes to hell in a handbasket as fast as possible and he is without a doubt the very man for the job. As a bonus Israel will go straight down the tube as well.

Vote McCain I say. Let's get this empire thing over and done with. Soon.

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Thank-you for drawing my attention to ""Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out."

Reading it, it seems not impossible to me that a majority, if not a "vast majority", of Americans may suspect, if not know, that Mr Wright is accurate in most, if not all, of his observations. Certainly it would explain why the majority of voters simply don't bother to engage in the farce of choosing a plutocrat to represent one face or the other of the RIMP (religious-industrial-military-party). Judging by repeated polls, most people living outside the USA would recognize Mr Wright as being relatively restrained in his accusations.

I would be reluctant to accept this bilious assertion as representing the opinion of more than the small, brainless, but none-the-less vocal, chorus of ditto neoconeheads. Which takes me to your other thought.

I don't think that we need McCain to wind up the empire. The handbasket is already waiting to be loaded. Bush and company, and their nasty friends in Israel, are likely to be guests of honor. It seems to me that the existing unilateralism and dollar dominance is likely to be replaced by a new economic multilateralism omitting what is left of the USA - and we are permitted to live that long. Unfortunately, reading the Dick & Bush security strategy again, my guess is that the neoconeheads would rather blow up the planet than watch this very predictable ending to their failed attempt to establish permanent dominance of the known universe. Which is a really good reason to keep them as far away from nuclear buttons as possible.

I also suspect that the ongoing financial implosion is likely to have all but destroyed the global economy before the USA's presidential elections might be held - if they are held. Whether or not that is the case, if they get a chance, hopefully the next figurehead will be a democrat - if only because many citizens are likely to need handouts long before 2012, and I suspect that Republican charity is likely to be as gracious and generous as their completely discredited "trickle down" policies, otherwise known as "rape the poor" (and if you were middle class when Bush stole office, you now are poor even if you don't recognize it yet. The market estimates that your dollars have halved in value in the last year which is why a Euro that used to cost $0.75 now costs over $1.50). Perhaps it should have been called the "dripped on" policy; where the patsies standing around the Republicons, too busy stuffing themselves and their friends to give anything a fair shake, have ended up as the recipients of whatever golden largess is left when their ruler's have granted themselves a perfunctory jiggle, after pissing on everything in the vicinity*.

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*And now you have a cogent explanation of why neocons smell funny. It is not just the rank odor of colestomy bags, senile incontinence and their own biliousness that permeates their environment.
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Why are people bothering with Obama when they could have somebody who "speaks truth to power" as president?

Screw Obama, nominate Wright!

Grins. The nuttiness of Wright's theory of HIV is not nearly as bad as the sheer bloodthirsty insanity repeatedly demonstrated by McCain, the mental incapacity of Bush, the blatant law-scoffing of Cheney or even the mendacity of the Clintons. So it shouldn't interfere with his electability at all.

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[Blunderov] More from Lenin's Tomb.


A tale of two pastors.
20 March 2008, 00:04:35 | lenin

I am not, as you know, an Obama enthusiast. But we have to thank Obama's campaign for making the Rev. Jeremiah Wright famous - and what better fame could he ask for than statements like these?:

• "The government gives them [African Americans] the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

• After September 11, 2001: "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

• "It just came to me within the past few weeks, y'all, why so many folks are hating on Barack Obama. He doesn't fit the model. He ain't white, he ain't rich, and he ain't privileged. Hillary fits the mold. Europeans fit the mold, Giuliani fits the mold. Rich white men fit the mold. Hillary never had a cab whiz past her and not pick her up because her skin was the wrong colour. Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over in her car as a black man driving in the wrong… I am sick of Negroes who just do not get it. Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home, Barack was. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had her people defined as non-persons."


A lot of Americans have an exaggerated sensitivity to this kind of thing, especially that 40% of them that would like to see Muslims have to bear special ID. Barack Obama took a risk in using Wright as part of his campaign, presumably to reach out to more radical grassroots voters, but nevertheless kept him safely in the background. The other campaign teams were bound to hit on this one, and the media were never going to let it go in a million years, especially since Obama is Osama's main man. The result is that Obama's huge lead over Hillary Clinton has almost evaporated, and both Democratic candidates would on present showing lose to McCain. That's right - the crazy old cracker looks like he could win for the first time because of this right-wing onslaught. He'll be singing 'Bomb Iran' down the White House telephone, and Americans will be asking themselves how they managed to fuck themselves in the ear again.

Do I even need to apprise you of the punchline? One of McCain's favourite backers, whose support he publicly welcomed, is Pastor John Hagee. Hagee is a Christian Zionist, televangelist, antisemite, Islamophobe, homophobe and racist. Here is a list of his statements:


• "It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day... Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people."

• "All Muslims are programmed to kill and we can thus never negotiate with any of them".

• "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that"

• "Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist."

"Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a 'slave sale' to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, 'The Cluster.'

"The item was introduced with the sentence 'Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave.


A charming man, and actually a rather popular one. AIPAC loves him. Senator Lieberman thinks he is Moses and Joshua. McCain is proud to have his support. The San Antonio B'nai B'rith council called him "Humanitarian of the Year". He has become wealthy and powerful by stirring America's filthiest prejudices, by getting in with the Republican Right, by getting on television, and by allying with the most opportunistic, cynically racist Zionist groups. Little phoney commentariat outrage over this chap. If this were just about Obama, then it would hardly be worth pointing out. He has never really sought to challenge racism in any way - quite the contrary, his sole message seems to be that it's time to 'move on'. He has been quite happy to pander to warmongering and is as much a child of the establishment as the other candidates. But clearly this isn't about Obama. It is about a rightist witch hunt, tapping into the deadly combination of racism and sanctimony in American political discourse. It is about the fact that a relatively small-time preacher is catching hell for comments that were largely indisputable statements of fact, while a religious right scumbag with millions is pretty well left alone by some and encouraged by others, because his bigotry is directed against people who have no clout, and because it serves the interests of the political class for it to be that way.

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I believe I have enough material from this thread, for an opening stand up act, for Celine Dion in Vegas ?

As I tally up the points:

1- I suspect that if I’ve consumed too much beer at my local establishment, I should take care not to kneel facing east as I toss my cookies, else my religious affiliation may be pre-determined.

2-CoV is endorsing the American religious left for presidency; with all its insight into that state of the union.

3-I getting an impression that ‘Salamantis’ is a unifying force at CoV, albeit a messy one.

4-McCain might be a good thing; just like sticking your head in a pail of water 3 times and pulling it out twice; it will stop the pain.

5-Contray to popular believe a ‘Neocon’ does smell unpleasant.

6-Social diseases and the Clinton’s are preferable to McCain, but he will still be President.

7-Sell your seaside property in Iran, unless you can sublet to landing craft; cash up front only.

8-Religion is more evil on the Republican side of the house.

9-Obama is a long legged freak, that was born trash and
Hilary was not a little black boy growing up in Harlem.

10-“The landing gear lever is on the left hand side” ……


Gentlemen; as usual, a treat and I hope you all don’t mind me enjoying myself here; since the wife won’t let me put up a wooden cross in the snow and nail the Plush Easter Bunny to it, because it will confuse the grand kids; this 2008 year old meme may take a while yet to exorcise from the culture. I will keep trying.

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Gentlemen; as usual, a treat and I hope you all don’t mind me enjoying myself here;

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Fritz.

Speaking for myself, but convinced I'm not alone, I'm extremely glad you found us and that you enjoy our little "church".

This place has become very dear to my heart in the almost 10 years I've been here.

I have thoroughly enjoyed your posts so far and look forward to many more.

Here's to many warm welcomes and a long future with us.

Walter

PS--I actually like Senator Obama. I consider him the lesser of three evils (Clinton, Obama and McCain), and since Americans are too stupid to elect someone like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich as President, I'm left to pick the lesser of the evils.


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Dear Fritz

You are very welcome. Indeed, you should rate yourself more highly.

It seems likely that if we accept the idea of labeling people as having validity, that we may be fools or great minds, seeing as we have the cross, the plush bunny, some Jesus nails and a nice spot on the side of the highway upon which to erect an appropriate montage. We also have an IR camera we had planned to set-up in a preemptive move to capture the tags and faces of any who attempted to desecrate our artistic and religious display (necessary as we balance on the buckle of the babble belt).

Unfortunately, Hypatia (our daughter) spotted the rabbit in the car, decided that it could only have been bought for her, and performed an animal rescue operation to liberate it from the evil Romans (her parents). Which ended that idea.

Kind Regards

Hermit & Co.

PS Other than in jest, I suspect that the CoV as a whole would not approve of any follower of irrational religion as leader of any nuclear armed group except as a "least worse" alternative. Which pretty much means that nobody currently running in the US could earn our full approbation.

PPS Dees/Salamantis spent far to much time with his incontinent mother watching Faux TV and listening to AM radio after 911. This resulted in his becoming one of the raving neoconned, terrified of "islamofascists" under the bed. He has actually acknowledged that he remains here only to troll. As such he serves the useful purpose of being an unfailing dipstick of whatever the cause du joure is of AM radio - sparing us the need to ever punish our ears by listening to it if we were ever stupid or drunk enough to want to do that. Usually he is better ignored; only sometimes the solid lumps of brainless bigotry borne to our attention upon the floods of septic liquor which he leaks are such perfect examples of something as to make poking at them almost irresistible. Just be sure to wear gloves, use a long stick and clean well with soap and hot water afterwards.

PPPS I usually play "Rocking the trolls" by BZN when commenting on his droppings. It forms a perfect accompaniment.

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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
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May the fertility of mother earth, family and the Easter Bunny provide a welcome break and good will for all.

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PS - Perfect -
<snip>&quotWith crystal balls and magic bells, they're rulers of the night
So draw your swords and raise it high, 'cause now the time is right"
And then he'd say: &quotThink of me nice" and to me surprise
The Scottish sailor, he moved into the night <snip>


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Quote from: Walter Watts on 2008-03-20 16:50:23   


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