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virus: Papal thoughts...
« on: 2005-04-11 04:08:35 » |
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...in conjuction with the pope's endorsement of evolution, one must
recognize that the REST of the sentence is, "...as a clever mechanism and
system thought up and created by GOD!!!". so it really isn't much of an
endorsement. more like an attempt to hijack it in order to make his snake
oil a bit easier to swallow.
...wasn't this a man who walked into subsaharan africa and declared (in the
midst of an insane AIDS epidemic), "no birth control will be tolerated by
the catholic church"..."keep on fuckin'!" "forget the homeless orphans
dying in the streets, we'll gonna outnumber the other religions! haliluyah!"
...what a considerate fellow, eh?
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Z Moser" <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: RE: virus: Imagine yourself in a movie...
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:32:20 +0000
I think it takes more than an endorsement by a pope to reconcile such an
estranged relationship. Good try.
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From: "Jake Sapiens" <every1hz@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: RE: virus: Imagine yourself in a movie...
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:58:06 -0700
The late pope endorsed evolution.
-Jake
> [Original Message]
> From: Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 04/10/2005 8:45:32 AM
> Subject: RE: virus: Imagine yourself in a movie...
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> Mr Hijack:
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> ***Is there a problem that someone on this list really cares about, that
we
> could use as an example?***
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> Zach:
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> I want Darwinism and Chritianity to make up.
>
> zach
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RE: virus: Papal thoughts...
« Reply #1 on: 2005-04-11 12:19:49 » |
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Yes, well that will be forty Hail Mary's for criticizing the pope.  In
the end it doesn't really matter whatever cynical reason he had for doing
so, I think it was a rather enlightened (compared to other religious nuts)
move. In terms of evolution, he did accept common descent and a billions
of year old universe, which are the roughest sticking points for
creationists, that blows "special creation" and the literal Genesis account
out of the water. Of course he put Gawd in charge; he's the friggin pope,
whadya expect? Evolution has nothing to say about god thingies, so if the
faithful (and the papacy) still need that window dressing to better swallow
the idea, so be it. It still represents a step forward. Considering that
Catholicism is the largest single denomination in the United States, and a
globally significant population, I wouldn't be so dismissive of the
significance of this.
While I am busy defending the crooks of the world, let me also say I like
GWB's no-call list idea . . . (that's about all I can think of for him
right now).
-Jake
> [Original Message]
> From: Dr Sebby <drsebby@hotmail.com>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 04/11/2005 1:08:37 AM
> Subject: virus: Papal thoughts...
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> ...in conjuction with the pope's endorsement of evolution, one must
> recognize that the REST of the sentence is, "...as a clever mechanism and
> system thought up and created by GOD!!!". so it really isn't much of an
> endorsement. more like an attempt to hijack it in order to make his
snake
> oil a bit easier to swallow.
>
> ...wasn't this a man who walked into subsaharan africa and declared (in
the
> midst of an insane AIDS epidemic), "no birth control will be tolerated by
> the catholic church"..."keep on fuckin'!" "forget the homeless orphans
> dying in the streets, we'll gonna outnumber the other religions!
haliluyah!"
>
> ...what a considerate fellow, eh?
. . . every sperm is sacred . . .
>
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Z Moser" <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: RE: virus: Imagine yourself in a movie...
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:32:20 +0000
>
> I think it takes more than an endorsement by a pope to reconcile such an
> estranged relationship. Good try.
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Jake Sapiens" <every1hz@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: RE: virus: Imagine yourself in a movie...
> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:58:06 -0700
>
> The late pope endorsed evolution.
>
> -Jake
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
> > To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> > Date: 04/10/2005 8:45:32 AM
> > Subject: RE: virus: Imagine yourself in a movie...
> >
> > Mr Hijack:
> >
> > ***Is there a problem that someone on this list really cares about,
that
> we
> > could use as an example?***
> >
> > Zach:
> >
> > I want Darwinism and Chritianity to make up.
> >
> > zach
> >
> >
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Re: virus: Papal thoughts...
« Reply #2 on: 2005-04-11 12:58:03 » |
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WHOA WHOA WHOA!
On Apr 11, 2005, at 1:08 AM, Dr Sebby wrote:
> ...in conjuction with the pope's endorsement of evolution, one must
> recognize that the REST of the sentence is, "...as a clever mechanism
> and system thought up and created by GOD!!!". so it really isn't much
> of an endorsement. more like an attempt to hijack it in order to make
> his snake oil a bit easier to swallow.
>
>
Let's embrace this the other way! Whoa, Dr. Sebby! Right here is
where memes get blended. The word is 'syncretic' - to bring two
things together with an eye towards resolving their apparent
differences.
If that's the snake oil it takes to spread that meme, let's start
pushing it EVERYWHERE. That's hijacking! They hijack us, and we
hijack them. META GOES BOTH WAYS.
By the way, on that 9-11 reframe, I started working on it. (ACTION,
MOTHERFUCKERS!)
Someone I know is tracking down the creators of the 9-11 Film Festival
- we have a friend in common for conduit, and we'll see if he will
open-source the films. Then we can start dumping copies all over,
layered in with other messages.
If we go try to infiltrate a conversation, we could all use quotes from
www.911truth.org - a goal is to have a greater sense of references - to
let other people do the work of gathering the information, and then USE
that information to find new points of application.
:-b
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RE: virus: Papal thoughts...
« Reply #3 on: 2005-04-11 16:14:57 » |
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From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf
Of global_hijack
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Someone I know is tracking down the creators of the 9-11 Film Festival
- we have a friend in common for conduit, and we'll see if he will
open-source the films. Then we can start dumping copies all over,
layered in with other messages.
</snip>
[Blunderov] I'm gathering that film is a 'thing' with you? Me too!
I can make movies but I haven't found one yet...
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Re: virus: Papal thoughts...
« Reply #4 on: 2005-04-13 10:08:59 » |
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This is, of course, what I was trying to do with my definition of God as the “ultimate objective observer”, an “entity consisting of the entire universe, known and unknown”.
It allows us to hijack religious terminology and reframe religious inquiry as scientific.
The end result allows someone who normally scoffs at religion to be memetically competitive and more effectively penetrate the converted.
But that didn't go over well on this list. Most of the members were too afraid of being misinterpreted or thought it would backfire.
I say “fear is the mind-killer” (Frank Herbert) ...
Let's try it. If it fails, COV can always go back to merely mocking religion, rather than hijacking it... that's easy and lots of people do it.
-----Original Message-----
From: global_hijack <global_hijack@speakeasy.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:58:03
To:virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Papal thoughts...
WHOA WHOA WHOA!
On Apr 11, 2005, at 1:08 AM, Dr Sebby wrote:
> ...in conjuction with the pope's endorsement of evolution, one must
> recognize that the REST of the sentence is, "...as a clever mechanism
> and system thought up and created by GOD!!!". so it really isn't much
> of an endorsement. more like an attempt to hijack it in order to make
> his snake oil a bit easier to swallow.
>
>
Let's embrace this the other way! Whoa, Dr. Sebby! Right here is
where memes get blended. The word is 'syncretic' - to bring two
things together with an eye towards resolving their apparent
differences.
If that's the snake oil it takes to spread that meme, let's start
pushing it EVERYWHERE. That's hijacking! They hijack us, and we
hijack them. META GOES BOTH WAYS.
By the way, on that 9-11 reframe, I started working on it. (ACTION,
MOTHERFUCKERS!)
Someone I know is tracking down the creators of the 9-11 Film Festival
- we have a friend in common for conduit, and we'll see if he will
open-source the films. Then we can start dumping copies all over,
layered in with other messages.
If we go try to infiltrate a conversation, we could all use quotes from
www.911truth.org - a goal is to have a greater sense of references - to
let other people do the work of gathering the information, and then USE
that information to find new points of application.
:-b
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Re:virus: Papal thoughts...
« Reply #5 on: 2005-04-14 10:07:27 » |
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[DrSebby]
...wasn't this a man who walked into subsaharan africa and declared (in the
midst of an insane AIDS epidemic), "no birth control will be tolerated by
the catholic church"..."keep on fuckin'!" "forget the homeless orphans
dying in the streets, we'll gonna outnumber the other religions! haliluyah!"
...what a considerate fellow, eh?
[rhinoceros]
Arianna Huffington took a shot at the Pope in a recent column.
A Cornucopia of Death
http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/column.php?id=767
<quote>
The other stain on the pope’s legacy is his tireless opposition to the use of condoms — even in places like Africa, where AIDS killed 2.3 million people last year alone, and where the disease has driven life expectancy below 40 years in many countries.
But even in the face of that kind of suffering, he fought tooth and nail against condoms. Any time a church official even suggested that people infected with HIV should use condoms, they were either removed from office or censured by the Vatican. We were told again and again last week about how committed John Paul was to promoting a culture of life. I guess the 20 million people who have died from AIDS are the exception that proves the rule.
<end quote>
...also
<quote>
Over 11,000 children were sexually abused and close to $1 billion in settlement money has been paid out, but the pope did not go much beyond decrying “the sins of some of our brothers.” He never met with any victims, he never offered practical solutions to dealing with the problem, he never addressed the decades-long cover-up of the abuse. He even rejected a “zero tolerance” policy calling for the immediate removal of molester-priests, concerned that it was too harsh.
Too harsh?! This is a man who wouldn’t allow a priest to become a bishop unless he was unequivocally opposed to masturbation, premarital sex and condoms. So, in his perversion pecking order, you had to be dead-set against “self-love” but when it came to buggering little kids, there was some wiggle room.
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Re:virus: Papal thoughts...
« Reply #6 on: 2005-04-24 12:46:12 » |
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Here are some more Papal info. There was a recent article in Salon which is worth enduring their ads to get a "day pass" and read it.
Holy warriors
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/04/21/tk/index_np.html
President Bush treated his final visit with Pope John Paul II in Vatican City on June 4, 2004, as a campaign stop. After enduring a public rebuke from the pope about the Iraq war, Bush lobbied Vatican officials to help him win the election. "Not all the American bishops are with me," he complained, according to the National Catholic Reporter. He pleaded with the Vatican to pressure the bishops to step up their activism against abortion and gay marriage in the states during the campaign season.
About a week later, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger sent a letter to the U.S. bishops, pronouncing that those Catholics who were pro-choice on abortion were committing a "grave sin" and must be denied Communion. He pointedly mentioned "the case of a Catholic politician consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws" -- an obvious reference to John Kerry, the Democratic candidate and a Roman Catholic. If such a Catholic politician sought Communion, Ratzinger wrote, priests must be ordered to "refuse to distribute it." Any Catholic who voted for this "Catholic politician," he continued, "would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion." During the closing weeks of the campaign, a pastoral letter was read from pulpits in Catholic churches repeating the ominous suggestion of excommunication. Voting for the Democrat was nothing less than consorting with the forces of Satan, collaboration with "evil."
In 2004 Bush increased his margin of Catholic support by 6 points from the 2000 election, rising from 46 to 52 percent. Without this shift, Kerry would have had a popular majority of a million votes. Three states -- Ohio, Iowa and New Mexico -- moved into Bush's column on the votes of the Catholic "faithful." Even with his atmospherics of terrorism and Sept. 11, Bush required the benediction of the Holy See as his saving grace. The key to his kingdom was turned by Cardinal Ratzinger.
With the College of Cardinals' election of Ratzinger to the papacy, his political alliances with conservative politicians can be expected to deepen and broaden. Under Benedict XVI, the church will assume a consistent reactionary activism it has not had for two centuries. And the new pope's crusade against modernity has already joined forces with the right-wing culture war in the United States, prefigured by his interference in the 2004 election.
<snip some interesting historical background info>
The new pope's burning passion is to resurrect medieval authority. He equates the Western liberal tradition, that is, the Enlightenment, with Nazism, and denigrates it as "moral relativism." He suppresses all dissent, discussion and debate within the church and concentrates power within the Vatican bureaucracy.
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