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Re: virus: Cult memes... choices
« on: 2005-02-04 16:42:20 »
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Re: virus: Cult memes... choices
« Reply #1 on: 2005-02-04 18:24:05 »
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One thing I wish to begin pushing more an more turns out to be called...

syncretism - my new favorite word! Apparently it is when we place two opposing things together, with an eye to resolving their apparent contradictions.


How the hell is this relevant? In the field of memetics, I think we might be well served if we agree that we are dealing with the world at the level of _perceived_reality_.

On the level of human actions and reactions, the level of reality we hope to describe, when people perceive something to be true, they react as if it is true.

We, as memeticists, have an alternative route that leads to different outcomes. Go meta on the urge to react!

And here's the strategy I propose for dealing with perceived reality - embrace it!

If anyone ever asks us if we are a cult, we answer, 'Sure, why not?' We also answer that we eat baby chickens, have a website named after the devil, and toy with humanity as if we were some kind of giant system.

All of these are, of course, true. It's in the framing of our response that we control the dialogue.


We are the Open Source Cult. The Cult of Humanity.


Hey - who out there has had a vision of a different tomorrow, a vision that made them spill information about the vision in all directions?

Let's join together every person with a vision, and run them as a giant memetics movement. It all parses down to a new axis for the world.

It isn't right vs. wrong. It's apathy vs. vision.

Who's activated?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerard van Schip [mailto:gerard@vanschip.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 4, 2005 09:42 PM
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: Cult memes... choices
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> First off, thank you Keith for the interesting links, secondly, Erik....
> What are you talking about?
>
> I have been a lurker on this list on and off for several years and never
> said much. I'm more of a reader than a speaker but Erik's post made me
> want to say a few words.
>
> I joined CoV because I do not see it as a Church. It is not a church nor
> is it a cult, it is a collection, a hive, a gathering of ideas. I
> thought that memes and viral information worked like a bee hive. Lot's
> of ideas are thrown in the group and by natural selection the good or
> appropriate ideas will survive. As time moves on and the scenario
> changes the selection of ideas change too.
>
> I reckon cults and religions are there for people who do not trust in
> natural selection of ideas by us all but prefer to be told what to do by
> a select few.
>
> So Erik, you are saying you would like to join an organization that has
> it's believes based on the works of a science fiction writer, pay
> special notice to the word fiction please.
>
> The question you should put to yourself is, do you want a select group
> of people to tell you what to do or would you like to join the chaos
> that is life and let natural selection of ideas take it's course?
>
> If you choose option one I wish you bliss ignorance, if you select
> option 2 I welcome you as an active member of our common future.
>
> I will return to lurking now.
>
> Gerard
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Re: virus: Cult memes... choices
« Reply #2 on: 2005-02-04 20:59:57 »
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: place two opposing things
: together, with an eye to
: resolving their apparent
: contradictions.

This is known as “dialectic” thinking.
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First, read Bruce Sterling's "Distraction", and then read http://electionmethods.org.
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Re: virus: Cult memes... choices
« Reply #3 on: 2005-02-05 15:23:52 »
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Quote from: simul on 2005-02-04 20:59:57   

: place two opposing things
: together, with an eye to
: resolving their apparent
: contradictions.

This is known as “dialectic” thinking.

Thesis, antithesis, synthesis

I had this dialectical thinking in mind when I wrote "Virus is a synthesis of religion and evolution". (http://virus.lucifer.com/about.html)
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RE: virus: Cult memes... choices
« Reply #4 on: 2005-02-07 17:24:13 »
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[Blunderov] Trivia I know, but apparently Hegel never used this precise
phrase himself.
Best Regards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical


Hegelian Dialectic
Although Hegel never used such a classification himself, Hegel's
dialectic is often described as consisting of three stages: a thesis, an
antithesis which contradicts or negates the thesis, and a synthesis
embodying what is essential to each.

In the Logic, for instance, Hegel describes a dialectic of existence:
first, existence must be posited as pure Being (thesis); but pure Being,
upon examination, is found to be indistinguishable from Nothing
(antithesis); yet both Being and Nothing are united as Becoming
(synthesis), when it is realized that what is coming into being is, at
the same time, also returning to nothing (consider life: old organisms
die as new organisms are created or born).

David Lucifer
Sent: 05 February 2005 10:24 PM

[quote from: simul on 2005-02-04 at 18:59:57]
: place two opposing things
: together, with an eye to
: resolving their apparent
: contradictions.

This is known as "dialectic" thinking.

Thesis, antithesis, synthesis

I had this dialectical thinking in mind when I wrote "Virus is a
synthesis of religion and evolution".
(http://virus.lucifer.com/about.html)



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