Yes, and I'm sorry I padded that scam artist's pockets for that rancid
piece of shit.=0D
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Date: 07/14/04 06:38:28=0D
To: virus@lucifer.com=0D
Subject: virus: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11=0D
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hi dees, have you seen the movie?=0D
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You'd think from watching the movie that Saddam's Iraq was a peaceful
pastoral place filled with shiny happy kite-flying people, with no mentio=
n
of the torture chambers and rape rooms and mass graves, or of his penchan=
t
for invading his neighbors.  You'd also think that Bin Laden's relatives
were prime suspects in 9/11 and were flown out of the FBI's reach at Bush=
'
behest, when in actuality they renounced the guy long ago, the FBI
interviewed everyone they wanted to prior to the flight, and the flight
itself was approved by Richard Clarke, and Bush was never asked.  When a
congressman was asked if he had sons in the military, his answer that he =
had
two nephews in Iraq was cut from the piece.  There are so many more chea=
p
shots and deceptions in the movie that it has taken people a lot of time =
to
list them, but I did post such a list, in:=0D
http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=3D60;action=3Ddisplay
threadid=3D30623=0D
Go read it and get enlightened.=0D
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From: virus@lucifer.com=0D
Date: 07/14/04 07:53:39=0D
To: virus@lucifer.com=0D
Subject: virus: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11=0D
=0D
[Joe Dees]=0D
  Yes, and I'm sorry I padded that scam artist's pockets for that rancid=0D
piece of shit.=0D
=0D
[Casey]=0D
Hi Joe,=0D
What was in the movie that you thought was incorrect? Why did you resort =
to
an ad hominem attack on Michael Moore, by calling him a scam artist?  Hav=
e
you ever seen Michael Moore's "Canadian Bacon"?  I think that movie is we=
ll
suited for today's political climate.  If you have seen it, what did you
think of that movie?=0D
=0D
Sincerely,=0D
=0D
A proud American and a proud skeptic,=0D
=0D
Casey=0D
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=0D
From: virus@lucifer.com=0D
Date: 07/14/04 17:25:08=0D
To: virus@lucifer.com=0D
Subject: RE: virus: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11=0D
=0D
Joe Dees=0D
Sent: 14 July 2004 22:43=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
You'd think from watching the movie that Saddam's Iraq was a peaceful
pastoral place filled with shiny happy kite-flying people, with no mentio=
n
of the torture chambers and rape rooms and mass graves, or of his penchan=
t
for invading his neighbors.  You'd also think that Bin Laden's relatives
were prime suspects in 9/11 and were flown out of the FBI's reach at Bush=
'
behest, when in actuality they renounced the guy long ago, the FBI
interviewed everyone they wanted to prior to the flight, and the flight
itself was approved by Richard Clarke, and Bush was never asked.  When a
congressman was asked if he had sons in the military, his answer that he =
had
two nephews in Iraq was cut from the piece.  There are so many more chea=
p
shots and deceptions in the movie that it has taken people a lot of time =
to
list them, but I did post such a list, in:=0D
http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=3D60;action=3Ddisplay
threadid=3D30623=0D
=0D
[Blunderov] Hey there Joe! Haven=92t seen the movie =96 does it mention h=
ow
Saddam became such a strongman in the region because the USA deliberately
set him up to be just that? And supplied him with =91WMD=92 to use agains=
t Iran?
And looked the other way when he did just that? The rank hypocrisy of it
all=85the way I see it, no shot is too cheap to take under the circumstan=
ces.=0D
He actually got those chemical precursors from Germany, not the US, but =
the
US did want him to provide a counterbalance to possible expansion by
Khomeini's Iran - and he did that.  Cheap shots are cheap shots, regardle=
ss
of their source or destination.  Now you hate the man so much you think i=
t
is fair to lie about him?  Hardly evenhanded and objective, that.=0D
On a more general note =91Show me someone who is not an immigrant and I=92=
ll go
out and say a prayer for him=92. What I mean is that any movie is a perso=
nal
view and can never claim to be objective. The act of putting a frame arou=
nd
something is simultaneously the act of excluding everything else. The cam=
era
ALWAYS lies=0D
But he does so repeatedly and intentionally, with focused and malicious
motive.  It is not only anti-Bush propaganda, it was INTENDED to be.  For
instance, the whole thing about the supposed natural gas pipeline to run
through Afghanistan being a reason to go to war with them stinks on dry i=
ce;
that Unocal idea was declared dead by Unocal themselves in 1998, during t=
he
Clinton administration, three years before 9/11, because its security cou=
ld
not be guaranteed regardless of who was in power in Afghanistan.=0D
I tend to agree that Moore makes too much (I=92ve read his books) of the =
Saudi
connection. Realistically, it seems to me that it is only natural that th=
ere
should be high level connections and business interests between the USA a=
nd
the Saudis. I don=92t really see what the fuss is all about in this regar=
d. =0D
If the US were doing the Saudis' bidding, why would they take out 1) Ira=
q,
their buffer between themselves and Shiite Iran, and 2) the Afghani Talib=
an,
whom the Saudis themselves had helped to bring to power and whom they
considered allies?=0D
Toodle Pip=0D
Blunderov =0D
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If it is considered pragmatic to refuse to contest technicolor propaganda
lies in a venue where many gullibles credulously believe them due to thei=
r
political predispositions, then I am ecstatic that such a hypocritical
encumbrance is excised from my psyche.=0D
=0D
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=0D
From: virus@lucifer.com=0D
Date: 07/15/04 08:56:55=0D
To: virus@lucifer.com=0D
Subject: Re: virus: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11=0D
=0D
Joe,=0D
        Is the incision from your pragmatectomy still bothering you?=0D
=0D
Walter=0D
=0D
=0D
Joe Dees wrote:=0D
=0D
>=0D
>=0D
=0D
  -------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
  From: virus@lucifer.com=0D
  Date: 07/14/04 17:25:08=0D
  To: virus@lucifer.com=0D
  Subject: RE: virus: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11=0D
=0D
  Joe Dees=0D
=0D
  Sent:14 July 200422:43=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
  You'd think from watching the movie that Saddam's Iraq was a peaceful=0D
  pastoral place filled with shiny happy kite-flying people, with no ment=
ion
of=0D
  the torture chambers and rape rooms and mass graves, or of his penchant
for=0D
  invading his neighbors.  You'd also think that Bin Laden's relatives we=
re=0D
  prime suspects in 9/11 and were flown out of the FBI's reach at Bush'
behest,=0D
  when in actuality they renounced the guy long ago, the FBI interviewed=0D
  everyone they wanted to prior to the flight, and the flight itself was=0D
  approved by Richard Clarke, and Bush was never asked.  When a congressm=
an
was=0D
  asked if he had sons in the military, his answer that he had two nephew=
s
in=0D
  Iraq was cut from the piece.  There are so many more cheap shots and=0D
  deceptions in the movie that it has taken people a lot of time to list
them,=0D
  but I did post such a list, in:=0D
  http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=3D60;action=3Ddisplay
threadid=3D30623=0D
=0D
  [Blunderov] Hey there Joe! Haven=92t seen the movie =96 does it mention=
how=0D
  Saddam became such a strongman in the region because the USA deliberate=
ly
set=0D
  him up to be just that? And supplied him with =91WMD=92 to use against =
Iran?
And=0D
  looked the other way when he did just that? The rank hypocrisy of it
all=85the=0D
  way I see it, no shot is too cheap to take under the circumstances.=0D
=0D
  He actually got those chemical precursors from Germany, not the US, but
the=0D
  US did want him to provide a counterbalance to possible expansion by=0D
  Khomeini's Iran - and he did that.  Cheap shots are cheap shots,
regardless=0D
  of their source or destination.  Now you hate the man so much you think=
it
is=0D
  fair to lie about him?  Hardly evenhanded and objective, that.=0D
=0D
  On a more general note =91Show me someone who is not an immigrant and I=
=92ll
go=0D
  out and say a prayer for him=92. What I mean is that any movie is a per=
sonal=0D
  view and can never claim to be objective. The act of putting a frame
around=0D
  something is simultaneously the act of excluding everything else. The
camera=0D
  ALWAYS lies=0D
=0D
  But he does so repeatedly and intentionally, with focused and malicious=
=0D
  motive.  It is not only anti-Bush propaganda, it was INTENDED to be.  F=
or=0D
  instance, the whole thing about the supposed natural gas pipeline to ru=
n=0D
  through Afghanistan being a reason to go to war with them stinks on dry
ice;=0D
  that Unocal idea was declared dead by Unocal themselves in 1998, during
the=0D
  Clinton administration, three years before 9/11, because its security
could=0D
  not be guaranteed regardless of who was in power in Afghanistan.=0D
=0D
  I tend to agree that Moore makes too much (I=92ve read his books) of th=
e
Saudi=0D
  connection. Realistically, it seems to me that it is only natural that
there=0D
  should be high level connections and business interests between the USA
and=0D
  the Saudis. I don=92t really see what the fuss is all about in this reg=
ard.=0D
=0D
  If the US were doing the Saudis' bidding, why would they take out 1) Ir=
aq,=0D
  their buffer between themselves and Shiite Iran, and 2) the Afghani
Taliban,=0D
  whom the Saudis themselves had helped to bring to power and whom they=0D
  considered allies?=0D
=0D
  Toodle Pip=0D
=0D
  Blunderov=0D
=0D
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And so can presidential candidates and Michael Moore and Joe Wilson.  It
turns out that the famous sixteen words in Bush's State of the Union addr=
ess
were true, after all, and it was Joe Wilson who was lying.  Iraq WAS tryi=
ng
to buy yellowcake in Africa, and Wilson, presently an adviser to the Kerr=
y
campaign, knew about it and lied about it, while calling Bush the liar.  =
So
much for the 'Bush lied and people died' slogan...=0D
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From: virus@lucifer.com=0D
Date: 07/15/04 20:01:18=0D
To: virus@lucifer.com=0D
Subject: Re: virus: Re:Fahrenheit 9/11=0D
=0D
Joe proffered:=0D
=0D
  >>If it is considered pragmatic to refuse to contest technicolor=0D
propaganda lies in a venue where many gullibles credulously believe=0D
them due to their political predispositions, then I am ecstatic that=0D
such a >>hypocritical encumbrance is excised from my psyche.=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
Yes, Joe, Fahrenheit 9/11 is a film and not a documentary.=0D
=0D
And yes, appearances can be deceiving,=0D
=0D
So can presidents.=0D
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Walter=0D
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