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« Reply #15 on: 2004-06-16 04:47:23 »
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[Walter]

Joe, Man, you really are just gulping the Koolaid.

[Joe]

No, I'm refusing to bow to the East and chug Mecca Cola at swordpoint, just
because some EuroDhimmis are licking their lips.


[Jonathan]

Priceless!

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« Reply #16 on: 2004-06-16 06:11:05 »
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[Jonathan Davis]

Labour's recent problems are being blamed on the Iraq War yet no one had
shown much evidence that this is the case. Voter disaffection and general
weariness with Labour are the most likely causes of their recent problems.

After all, the Conservatives ALSO supported the war and lent Blair their
full support on the matter.

How is this for an indicator: The anti-War Mirror and Guardian newspapers
have had circulation collapses (due to their ceaseless attacks on their own
country?) and the only substantial Anti-War party - Liberal Democrats - also
suffered reversals.

The picture emerging is that the main parties are losing support to smaller
parties (e.g. extremists like the BNP, single issue parties like UKIP)
because of voter alienation and not because of serious policy issue
differences.

[Blunderov]'New Labour' itself concedes Iraq was a major factor in the
drubbing.

[Jonathan 2]  That is their claim but it is as unsupported as the rest. It
is a handy excuse for them. Labour has failed badly on many domestic policy
points and it is this, combined with massive problems with voter alienation
(due in party to Spin Culture) that I believe has troubled them most.

Clearly much of this is guesswork. The Iraq excuse *seems* obvious. I am not
sold.

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Re:virus: That Dirty Feeling
« Reply #17 on: 2004-06-16 09:45:12 »
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...Joe, i seriously suspect that you imagine the people who are vehemently
against your beloved bush and his ways must LOVE kerry.  this is not true. 
i would prefer to have a few republicans that i know of in office in his
stead.  just like the mindless partisans on television, i suspect if koko
the gorilla were to win the republican nomination you too would rush to
defend said choice.  the odd thing is that you are obviously intelligent -
and yet this odd short circuit of logic exists within you.



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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:45:46 -0600

Joe, Man, you really are just gulping the Koolaid.

Walter

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RE: virus: That Dirty Feeling
« Reply #18 on: 2004-06-16 11:06:35 »
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Those articles all appear to be from a year or so ago.

--Eva

--- Jonathan Davis <jonathan.davis@lineone.net> wrote:
> Iraqis are returning home in droves despite the
> violence. Some google
> generated example stories...
>
> http://www.crienglish.com/144/2004-1-7/68@76714.htm
>
http://www.metimes.com/2K3/issue2003-16/reg/iraqis_in_syria.htm
>
http://www.rferl.org/features/2003/08/29082003165142.asp
>
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=29573&d=31&m=7&y=2003
>
> Joe is like the passer-by who applauds the fireman
> only to be scolded that
> "Those firemen deserve no credit! Will they be
> living in the ruins? Hell no!
> Would you? Hell NO! Hypocrite!".
>
> We can only help alleviate the mess the Iraqis made
> (and some cases,
> continue to trying to make) of their country.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>
>
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> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com
> [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf Of
> Dr Sebby
> Sent: 15 June 2004 13:52
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re:virus: That Dirty Feeling
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> ....i anxiously await your news informing us of
> exactly when you will be
> moving to the wonderful new democratic state of
> Iraq?  im sure you'll have a
> wonderful time there discussing politics and
> religion in the many cafes
> catering to the wonton intellectual.  wear your "i
> love bush" pin on your
> lapel and your sure to make quite an impression!
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RE: virus: That Dirty Feeling
« Reply #19 on: 2004-06-16 12:34:10 »
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Eva-Lise Carlstrom
Sent: 16 June 2004 05:07 PM

Those articles all appear to be from a year or so ago.

[Blunderov] A more recent poll.
Best Regards

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5217874/site/newsweek/
<q>
Grim Numbers
A U.S.-sponsored poll shows Iraqis have lost confidence in the occupying
authorities--and that the majority of Iraqis want Coalition troops out of
the country 'immediately'

By Michael Hirsh
Newsweek
Updated: 4:55 p.m. ET June 15, 2004June 15 - The first survey of Iraqis
sponsored by the U.S. Coalition Provisional Authority after the Abu Ghraib
prison scandal shows that most say they would feel safer if Coalition forces
left immediately, without even waiting for elections scheduled for next
year. An overwhelming majority, about 80 percent, also say they have "no
confidence" in either the U.S. civilian authorities or coalition forces.

Sixty-seven percent of those surveyed also said they believed violent
attacks have increased around the country because "people have lost faith in
the coalition forces."

The poll numbers were reflected in the anger seen in the streets of Baghdad
after a series of car bombings on Monday. While U.S forces and Iraqi police
hung back, crowds set some of the vehicles on fire, threw bricks and shouted
insults at U.S. soldiers. According to the poll, a mere one percent of
Iraqis now feel that the coalition forces contribute most to their sense of
security; only 18 percent described Iraqi police the same way. By contrast,
a total of 71 percent said they depended mostly on their family and friends
and neighbors for security.

The poll results which have not been released publicly but were obtained by
NEWSWEEK, indicate that the April publication of photos depicting the abuse
of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison accelerated a long-term decline in
support for the U.S. occupation. Of the Iraqis surveyed, 71 percent said
they had been surprised by the Abu Ghraib revelations. Most, however, said
they now believe the abuses were widespread. Fifty-four percent agreed with
the statement that "all Americans behave this way," and 61 percent said they
believed no one would be punished for the abuses. A CPA spokesman said
Tuesday that he had not yet examined the numbers.

Taken from May 14 to May 23, the survey also shows a sharp rise in the
popularity of radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, with 81 percent saying
they had either a better or much better or better opinion of him than they
did three months earlier. Sadr's Al Mahdi Army has been engaged in a bloody
standoff with U.S. forces in the cities of Kufa and Najaf for more than two
months. His popularity among leading Iraqi public figures is exceeded only
by that of another Shiite cleric, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who was
"strongly supported" by 51 percent of Iraqis and "somewhat supported" by
another 19 percent.

The news for the newly designated Iraqi prime minister, Iyad Allawi, was not
as good. While the poll was taken just before he was named to head the new
interim government, 61 percent said they either strongly oppose or somewhat
oppose Allawi, a former exile once backed by the CIA. Only 23 percent said
they somewhat support or strongly support him.

On the positive side, the poll showed that 63 percent of Iraqis believe that
installing the interim Iraqi government will make things "better" for Iraq,
with only 15 percent saying thing will be worse. The survey also indicated
that most Iraqis display continuing confidence in the new Iraqi police and
army.

The poll reflects an inexorable decline in support for the U.S. occupation
since the fall of Baghdad over a year ago. In November of 2003, 47 percent
of those surveyed still expressed confidence in the CPA; those figures
plummeted to 9 percent in April and 11 percent in May. In the latest survey,
81 percent of Iraqis also expressed "no confidence" in Coalition forces.
Seventy-eight percent expressed the same grim opinion of the outgoing CPA,
which is slated to dissolve when sovereignty is handed over to the interim
government on June 30. The survey does show a marginal uptick in support for
the CPA and coalition forces since April, but that small increase falls
within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4.1 percent. Fifty-seven
percent of those surveyed also expressed no confidence in the United
Nations.

The survey underlines just how much Coalition forces, which have struggled
unsuccessfully to crush an insurgency that has targeted increasing numbers
of Iraqis, as well as power lines and other facilities, seem to have lost
the faith of most Iraqis. In November of 2003, just 11 percent of Iraqis
said they would feel "more safe" if coalition forces left immediately; that
number rose to 28 percent in January. Today 55 percent of Iraqis say they
would feel safer if coalition forces departed right away, even though the
Bush administration has indicated they would stay on at least until the
Iraqi elections in 2005. A whopping 69 percent also want the CPA to play no
role at all in the selection of an independent election commission.

The poll consisted of face-to-face interviews with 1,093 people selected
randomly in six Iraqi cities and towns: Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, Hillah,
Diwaniyah and Baquba. It was conducted by the Independent Institute for
Administration and Civil Society Studies, a CPA- sponsored Iraqi survey
group.

C 2004 Newsweek, Inc. </q>


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