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« on: 2004-06-14 19:01:31 »
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You know how after a workout or mowing the lawn when it's 100 degrees
you want to quickly get in the shower and wash it all away.

Whenever I see President Bush on TV, I have this overwhelming desire to
go to the bookstore and read a difficult book, the subject of which is
irrelevant.

Just seeing him or talking about him makes me feel stupid and
small-minded.

Walter

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« Reply #3 on: 2004-06-15 04:25:30 »
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[Blunderov] The absurd posturings at the D-Day anniversary ceremony have
apparently failed to bamboozle the discerning British electorate. It remains
to be seen if Phoney Blair is the big winner that the myopic Irwin M.
Stelzer seems to imagine.

Quite how Labour can construe Ken Livingstone's victory to be any sort of
compensation at all is not clear to me.

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news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3796075.stm
<snip>
Labour suffers election 'kicking'

There was little to cheer Labour Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott admits
voters have given Labour a "kicking" in protest at the Iraq war.

With only a few local election results in England and Wales to come, Labour
has lost 461 seats and eight councils, including Newcastle, Swansea and
Leeds.

The Tories gained 259 seats and won Trafford and Tamworth. Charles Kennedy
said Lib Dem gains proved the UK now really had three party politics.

But Labour was cheered by Ken Livingstone's election as London Mayor.
</snip>

<snip>
Ken's victory is steeped in irony

Analysis By Nick Assinder
BBC News Online political correspondent 

Mr Livingstone is a million political miles away from New Labour, is opposed
to a whole series of key government policies and was vocal in his opposition
to the war on Iraq.

The UKIP vote may even signal trouble ahead for both the main parties when
the European election results are published on Sunday

But during his first term in the job he did not spark the socialist,
anti-government revolution some had feared.

So when it was obvious that the official Labour candidate would be
humiliated in the mayoral election, Mr Blair relented and opened the door
for Mr Livingstone's readmission to the party he had kicked him out of
before the last London election.

Put bluntly, he wanted a winner and if that had to be Ken Livingstone then
he could live with that. </snip> 

 


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RE: virus: That Dirty Feeling
« Reply #4 on: 2004-06-15 04:35:22 »
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Admittedly he looks and sounds like a simian, but he is very useful to
warmongers and anti-jihadis like me.

Sorry you guys have to bear the brunt of some of his crazy policies.

Regards

Jonathan
Subject of the EU Superstate AND the Blair nanny state.

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Subject: virus: That Dirty Feeling

You know how after a workout or mowing the lawn when it's 100 degrees you
want to quickly get in the shower and wash it all away.

Whenever I see President Bush on TV, I have this overwhelming desire to go
to the bookstore and read a difficult book, the subject of which is
irrelevant.

Just seeing him or talking about him makes me feel stupid and small-minded.

Walter

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« Reply #5 on: 2004-06-15 08:12:06 »
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Labour's recent problems are being blamed on the Iraq War yet no one had
shown much evidence that this is the case. Voter disaffection and general
weariness with Labour are the most likely causes of their recent problems.

After all, the Conservatives ALSO supported the war and lent Blair their
full support on the matter.

How is this for an indicator: The anti-War Mirror and Guardian newspapers
have had circulation collapses (due to their ceaseless attacks on their own
country?) and the only substantial Anti-War party - Liberal Democrats - also
suffered reversals.

The picture emerging is that the main parties are losing support to smaller
parties (e.g. extremists like the BNP, single issue parties like UKIP)
because of voter alienation and not because of serious policy issue
differences.

Regards

Jonathan



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[Blunderov] The absurd posturings at the D-Day anniversary ceremony have
apparently failed to bamboozle the discerning British electorate. It remains
to be seen if Phoney Blair is the big winner that the myopic Irwin M.
Stelzer seems to imagine.

Quite how Labour can construe Ken Livingstone's victory to be any sort of
compensation at all is not clear to me.



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« Reply #6 on: 2004-06-15 08:52:12 »
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...i anxiously await your news informing us of exactly when you will be
moving to the wonderful new democratic state of Iraq?  im sure you'll have a
wonderful time there discussing politics and religion in the many cafes
catering to the wonton intellectual.  wear your "i love bush" pin on your
lapel and your sure to make quite an impression!



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Bush Conquers Europe
France and Germany find themselves in a box, and John Kerry loses one of his
reasons for running.
by Irwin M. Stelzer
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/231muvnw.asp

IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE that it has been only one week since the celebration
of the 60th anniversary of the D-Day invasion that liberated France from the
Nazis. A lot has changed in a mere seven days.

Start with the international scene. George W. Bush, Jacques Chirac and
Gerhard Schröder took their act from Normandy to Sea Island Georgia, where
they were joined by other members of the G-8 and assorted interested
parties. There, Chirac proved once again that a chasm exists between his
words and his deeds. "France will never forget what it owes America," the
French president told some 6,000 D-Day veterans and assorted guests in his
talk last Sunday in the Norman coastal town of Arromanches. A few days later
he opposed America's requests for deeper involvement of NATO in the
pacification of Iraq, saying such a move would not be "opportune"; fought to
water down Bush's program to foster the growth of democratic institutions in
the Middle East, stating that he opposed such "missionary" work; and
responded with a vigorous "non" to Bush's plea that Iraq's creditors join
America in forgiving "the vast majority" of the debts incurred by Iraq
during Saddam Hussein's regime. (Within!
  the G-8 nations, Japan is owed $4.1 billion, Russia $3.5 billion, France
$3 billion, Germany $2.4 billion and the U.S. $2.2 billion.) And just to
make certain that none of the anti-American voters at home gets any idea
that he has moved too close to the Americans, Chirac decided to pass up
president Reagan's funeral to keep an unspecified "previous commitment" in
Europe.

Gerhard Schröder is in a more difficult position than the French friend with
whom he has formed an alliance forged in steel. He is riding a tiger: he has
whipped up anti-American sentiment, and ridden the wave of anti-Americanism
to electoral triumph. But he now wants to open markets and investment
opportunities in the countries that have recently joined the European Union,
and to cozy up to the delegates they will be sending to the various E.U.
institutions. Unfortunately for him, eight of these countries remember that
it was American steadfastness in the Cold War, and Ronald Reagan's decision
to replace containment with victory as his policy goal, that got them out
from under the Russian boot. So these countries, and the German business
community, are telling Schröder to tone down his anti-American
rhetoric--which he can't do without antagonizing the voters he has persuaded
to hate America in general and George W. Bush in particular.

TO ADD TO the Franco-German discomfort, the U.N. Security Council
unanimously approved the new Iraqi government, led by Ghazi al-Yawar, who
was educated in America. And when the heads-of-state show moves on to
Istanbul later this month for the NATO summit meeting, after a two-day stop
in New Market-on-Fergus in Ireland for an E.U.-U.S. summit meeting, Chirac
is likely to find that his resistance to NATO involvement in Iraq's
reconstruction will be ignored by an organization desperate to prove that it
is relevant to the 21st century. All in all, it seems that in a single week
the reputations of George W. Bush and Tony Blair have moved from the valley
of despair to the bright uplands reserved for those who get it right in the
tough world of geopolitics.

All of this geopolitical toing-and-froing overshadowed some important
developments on the economic front. With Japan now firmly on the path to
growth, Europe is the world's principal laggard. Treasury Secretary John
Snow called upon the European Union to rely less on export-led growth, which
adds to America's trade deficit, and to take steps to accelerate domestic
demand. But the Europeans are engaged in a blame game. Schröder and Chirac
blame the European Central Bank for keeping interest too high, while the ECB
blames France and Germany for violating the fiscal rules of the Growth and
Stability Pact--and for refusing to reform their labor and product markets.
The funny thing is that both the ECB and its critics are probably right--the
one-size-fits-all interest rate set by the ECB is too high to maximize
growth in France and Germany, and the French and Germans' refusal to
institute economic reforms is holding back their economies. The most
optimistic forecast is that the E!
uropean economy will grow at an annual rate of about 1.5 percent this year,
about one-third that of the United States.

NOT ALL THE NEWS from these meetings is gloomy. The heads of state did
manage to pronounce themselves in favor of a resumption of trade-opening
talks, and to promise to reduce trade-distorting agricultural subsidies and
barriers to access.

Whether those pledges can survive the pressures of the American presidential
campaign is not certain. Bush is showing commendable courage by defending
free trade as a creator rather than a destroyer of jobs, and ridiculing
calls to end outsourcing. He has also had the Commerce Department cut
anti-dumping duties on Chinese television sets to levels that will have
minimal impact on China's TV manufacturers.

All of this is a misfortune for John Kerry. His campaign rests on a
three-legged stool. The first leg is that Bush is a job-destroyer; but the
economy has created almost one million jobs in the past three months, and is
probably adding better than 10,000 every day. The second leg is that Bush
has antagonized America's allies and is isolated; the 15-0 Security Council
vote to recognize the Bush-backed Iraqi government saws that leg off. The
final leg is that the Bush tax cuts have been a disaster. Ronald Reagan's
death has brought renewed attention to the fact that the late president's
tax cuts helped to end the recession he inherited from Jimmy Carter, just as
Bush's cuts kept the Clinton recession short and mild.
Not a good week for the president's foes, here and abroad.

Irwin M. Stelzer is director of economic policy studies at the Hudson
Institute, a columnist for the Sunday Times (London), a contributing editor
to The Weekly Standard, and a contributing writer to The Daily Standard.


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« Reply #7 on: 2004-06-15 08:54:12 »
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[Walter] You know how after a workout or mowing the lawn when it's 100
degrees you want to quickly get in the shower and wash it all away.
Whenever I see President Bush on TV, I have this overwhelming desire to
go to the bookstore and read a difficult book, the subject of which is
irrelevant. Just seeing him or talking about him makes me feel stupid
and small-minded.

[rhinoceros] Walter, you realize that by making this confession you
subjected everyone to a collective punishment of 2 cut-and-paste
articles of Bush-loving, just to restore balance :->


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« Reply #8 on: 2004-06-15 11:57:33 »
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Iraqis are returning home in droves despite the violence. Some google
generated example stories...

http://www.crienglish.com/144/2004-1-7/68@76714.htm
http://www.metimes.com/2K3/issue2003-16/reg/iraqis_in_syria.htm
http://www.rferl.org/features/2003/08/29082003165142.asp
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=29573&d=31&m=7&y=2003

Joe is like the passer-by who applauds the fireman only to be scolded that
"Those firemen deserve no credit! Will they be living in the ruins? Hell no!
Would you? Hell NO! Hypocrite!".

We can only help alleviate the mess the Iraqis made (and some cases,
continue to trying to make) of their country.

Regards

Jonathan


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...i anxiously await your news informing us of exactly when you will be
moving to the wonderful new democratic state of Iraq?  im sure you'll have a
wonderful time there discussing politics and religion in the many cafes
catering to the wonton intellectual.  wear your "i love bush" pin on your
lapel and your sure to make quite an impression!


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Joe, Man, you really are just gulping the Koolaid.

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Jonathan Davis
Sent: 15 June 2004 02:12 PM

Labour's recent problems are being blamed on the Iraq War yet no one had
shown much evidence that this is the case. Voter disaffection and general
weariness with Labour are the most likely causes of their recent problems.

After all, the Conservatives ALSO supported the war and lent Blair their
full support on the matter.

How is this for an indicator: The anti-War Mirror and Guardian newspapers
have had circulation collapses (due to their ceaseless attacks on their own
country?) and the only substantial Anti-War party - Liberal Democrats - also
suffered reversals.

The picture emerging is that the main parties are losing support to smaller
parties (e.g. extremists like the BNP, single issue parties like UKIP)
because of voter alienation and not because of serious policy issue
differences.

[Blunderov]'New Labour' itself concedes Iraq was a major factor in the
drubbing.
Best Regards

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_objectid=14324650&metho
d=full&siteid=50082&headline=labour--given-a-kicking--name_page.html
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It is believed to be the first time the governing party has been forced into
third place in such a test of public opinion.

Mr Prescott conceded Labour had done badly. He said the war in Iraq was a
crucial factor...

Iraq was a cloud, or indeed a shadow, over these elections. I am not saying
we haven't had a kicking. It's not a great day for Labour...

Mr Blunkett said it had been a bad night for the Government, and conceded
Iraq was a major factor.

"I am mortified that we are not doing better than we have done," he said.

"We know it has been a bad night, but we are obviously going to have to
present the facts as they are...

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Blunkett said the war in Iraq
had cost Labour votes.

"Some people felt it was the wrong policy," he said. "It split families, it
split the Labour Party, it split friends...

Labour had been braced for bad results. Mr Blair had conceded Iraq cast a
shadow over the Government's support... </snips>

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