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Re: RE virus: More bush democracy
« Reply #30 on: 2004-03-04 20:42:36 »
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1, Is it possible that they are wealthy *because* they have strong democracies?

2. If it wasn't for the internet and heavy pressure by activist groups, Diebold would have gone unreported.  Our government is something the people now struggle against every day.  Nonprofit advocacy groups and nonprofit charities do more domestic work than our government foes - at a fraction of the cost.

3.  Your point was moot.  The US is (was?) in a unique position of power and weath.  It can afford to build a democracy that no other nation can.

4. You said “homogenous” ... If you were not referring to race then to what were you referring?

5. The US has killed more people in the name of justice and God than any other nation inthe last 100 years.  We're just very, very good at making sure we have good excuses. 

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Re: RE virus: More bush democracy
« Reply #31 on: 2004-03-04 20:50:56 »
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I agree with your feelings about sanctions.  Why not bring back the good old days when we just assasinated leaders instead of holding huge wars or plotted starvation tactics?
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Re:RE virus: More bush democracy
« Reply #32 on: 2004-03-04 21:34:24 »
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My favourite latin phrase at the moment: Inter armin enim silen leges.

"In time of war, the law falls silent."

The quote is Cicero, if memory serves, and he was talking about the Roman Empire.


Anyway, I thought it appropriate.



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« Reply #33 on: 2004-03-04 22:03:59 »
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On the homogenity/diversity issue:

>http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9115,1154687,00.html<

(For those who can't be bothered to read it, it's basically bringing back the old point about 'discomfort of strangers' being at the heart of why states such as Sweden have strong public sectors and social safety nets and others, such as the USA, don't.)


The article is particularly pertinent here in the UK at the moment. For the past two years there's been an increasingly nasty press campaign against what is perceived as being an 'explosion' of 'asylum seekers' from other countries settling in the UK.

Personally, I think there's a major flaw with the articles reasoning- the article sounds as if it's validating difference, when the real problem is perception of difference. And it certainly doesn't excuse what has basically been a racist campaign here in the UK by certain newspapers with profit in mind.

Apparently, the same sort of thing has been seen in Australia, too. I'm wondering if anything like this has happened on the other side of the Atlantic? Rupert Murdoch has been behind much of this press coverage in the UK and Australia. I'm interested in whether Fox News in particular has attempted anything like this?

I'd assume that the USA, with its central 'colonisation' myth would be more resistant to this kind of campaign. Is this true?


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RE: RE virus: More bush democracy
« Reply #34 on: 2004-03-05 06:22:46 »
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1. They were kingdoms and have a similar  path to democracy that the UK had.


2. Greater flows of information are helping uncover corruption, wrongdoing
and errors all over the world. The Internet is the chief medium for the
discussion and identification of technical communication problems and
technologies.  How often do Microsoft flaws make the mainstream news? Or
Linux kernel faults or Cisco router vulnerabilities?

3. Sweden and Norway are wealthier than the US. Plus, money is not the sole
determinant of good democracy. Culture plays a massive part, as does the
existence of strong institutions and good education. Furthermore size is
crucial.

4. Homogenous means "all of the same or similar kind or nature". I use it in
the socio-cultural sense. There is (or was) a powerful social consensus in
these countries. Since there has been massive immigration into both these
countries over the last 10 years and the homogeneity has broken down
somewhat there has been (in both Sweden and Switzerland) a huge upsurge of
support for right wing anti-immigration parties.

Diversify, US style, and surprise surprise you get US style problems and
pressures.

5. Please support this apparently absurd assertion.

Regards

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1, Is it possible that they are wealthy *because* they have strong
democracies?

2. If it wasn't for the internet and heavy pressure by activist groups,
Diebold would have gone unreported.  Our government is something the people
now struggle against every day.  Nonprofit advocacy groups and nonprofit
charities do more domestic work than our government foes - at a fraction of
the cost.

3.  Your point was moot.  The US is (was?) in a unique position of power and
weath.  It can afford to build a democracy that no other nation can.

4. You said "homogenous" ... If you were not referring to race then to what
were you referring?

5. The US has killed more people in the name of justice and God than any
other nation inthe last 100 years.  We're just very, very good at making
sure we have good excuses. 

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RE: RE virus: More bush democracy
« Reply #35 on: 2004-03-05 07:13:21 »
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RE: RE virus: More bush democracy
« Reply #36 on: 2004-03-05 09:49:40 »
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Jei,

I do not sit in a pothole.

I am not an American.

Your Nazi = USA theme is both tired and absurd.

I will not pay you the courtesy of shutting up.

Whoever YOU are, if you are too useless to have a democracy then learn from
your American superiors and either throw off tyranny with a revolution or
invite the US to liberate you.

Regards

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SNIP

You can sit in your little pot-hole and deny this is happening, or accept
the fact and look at the ugly truth.

Of course, it would have been against the Nazis' personal best interests to
speak out against racism and aggression of their government, just as it is
against americans' best interest to speak out against their government when
it is raping Iraq for it's oil, killing ragheads and basically making money
for the americans, or at least their companies.

However, you should do the rest of the world the courtesy of shutting up,
when you refuse to see the facts for what they clearly are. Americans like
you are an insult to the freedom and liberty of all the people in this
world.

Freedom and Liberty mean that WE get to decide and elect our own governments
and who runs them - not the americans, in case you have forgotten. And those
governments should do what is best for the local people, not what is best
for the american companies.

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Jonathan Davis wrote:

> One lone non-nobel laureate points out that this is a fallacious
> appeal to authority.
>
> I invoke Godwins Law and announce the death of this thread for the
> tired and hysterical USA = Nazi Germany claim.
>
> Limbic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On
> Behalf Of Erik Aronesty
> Subject: Re: RE virus: More bush democracy
>
> Two dozen Nobel laureates and 40 other leading researchers have signed
> a statement accusing the Bush administration of "misrepresenting and
> suppressing scientific knowledge"
>
> Check out ucsusa.org
>
> Before Hitler started his conquests of other nations and his butchery
> of the Jews, scientists began to walk out of Germany and terrorism was
> used as an excuse to curtail civil rights...
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RE: RE virus: More bush democracy
« Reply #37 on: 2004-03-06 08:57:37 »
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...do you mean the american companies owned by jewish interests?  'jews'
make up 2% of the american population...atheists/agnostics = 10%.  have you
ever heard of someone standing up for atheistic notions?  even when they are
openly declared as "not americans" by g. bush sr.?  Chairman Mao's doctrine
resulted in approx. 55 million chinese dead...pol pot, 2.3
million....obesity; much more.  but what do we always hear about?  bad guys
= nazis, drunkdrivers, and cigarettes.  so before you go proclaiming
wrongdoing...see through the haze of media focus/manipulation.  you might
see that some of your dearest friends have NOT hands, clean of blood.  jews
may be experts at whining, but please tell me the death toll of european
gypsies over the past 65 yrs and i might pay more homage to your issue.



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----Original Message Follows----
From: Jei <jei@cc.hut.fi>
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Subject: RE: RE virus:  More bush democracy
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:13:21 +0200 (EET)


USA may not be the Nazi Germany, but the history
is sure spookily repeating itself, and the same
übermensch-mentality is very apparent where ever
americans are dealing with non-americans. Immunity
to local laws is afforded to US troops, and their
interests always come first at the expense of others.

The more you look into it and read the history,
the more you begin to see similarities and patterns.

The Germans were pround to be Nazis in their days,
and I have no doubt that americans are proud to be
americans as well. It does not change the fact what
the nazis did to the world, or the fact that USA
and americans are more and more doing the same things
to the world again.

You can sit in your little pot-hole and deny this is
happening, or accept the fact and look at the ugly truth.

Of course, it would have been against the Nazis' personal
best interests to speak out against racism and aggression
of their government, just as it is against americans' best
interest to speak out against their government when it is
raping Iraq for it's oil, killing ragheads and basically
making money for the americans, or at least their companies.

However, you should do the rest of the world the courtesy
of shutting up, when you refuse to see the facts for what
they clearly are. Americans like you are an insult to the
freedom and liberty of all the people in this world.

Freedom and Liberty mean that WE get to decide and elect
our own governments and who runs them - not the americans,
in case you have forgotten. And those governments should
do what is best for the local people, not what is best for
the american companies.

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Jonathan Davis wrote:

> One lone non-nobel laureate points out that this is a fallacious appeal
to
> authority.
>
> I invoke Godwins Law and announce the death of this thread for the tired
and
> hysterical USA = Nazi Germany claim.
>
> Limbic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf
Of
> Erik Aronesty
> Subject: Re: RE virus: More bush democracy
>
> Two dozen Nobel laureates and 40 other leading researchers have signed a
> statement accusing the Bush administration of "misrepresenting and
> suppressing scientific knowledge"
>
> Check out ucsusa.org
>
> Before Hitler started his conquests of other nations and his butchery of
the
> Jews, scientists began to walk out of Germany and terrorism was used as
an
> excuse to curtail civil rights...
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