RE: virus: Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #60 on: 2003-08-06 12:45:51 »
That's it. Hermit, you're disgusting. Attack me if you like, but you are vile. Joe may be easy to provoke and hard to calm down but there's something missing from his spewing - he uses a lot of adjectives and sputters frantically but he lacks the sadism apparent in your style.
Re: virus: Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #61 on: 2003-08-06 13:03:40 »
Hermit, you cannot honestly pose any situation in which your actions now are anything resembling right or proper. I don't know if anything makes you think that what you are doing now is wise or serving any interest that is good, sensible, decent, or productive.
Whatever grounds may be that you use to hold your grudges, you need to drop them for the sake of the community, if its well being is an interest of yours.
I want to show that you have no support in your crusade here, regardless of what reason or justification you may have used to set it in motion so long ago. --- To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/virus-l>
I told you so. Many times. Few listened. Many, instead, attacked the messenger. I have long been the Cassandra (or one of the few) crying like a voice in the wilderness concerning the nauseous destructiveness to this list embodied by the odious actions of Hermit, and many others have ignored my message, even though it was prompted by a love of this list and its original purpose, and a deep and genuine dismay at seeing it so sullied and soiled. Instead, responding to his selective ego-stroking carrots and fearful of his vituperative sticks, many have been pulled willingly along by their ideological nose rings into supporting and applauding his execrable actions whilst smiting my dire yet now obviously truthful prophecies concerning him. I am one of the few who has no fear of this diseased Gorgon, and we few have been roundly and unjustly stoned by the monster and his minion many because we dared to accurately describe its vomitously repulsive face. Well, now that the disgusting ghoul has completely shucked its shielding mask and shown its ghastly visage for all who still possess vestiges of eyes to see, it's vile, vicious, vindictive and execrable nature can no longer be reasonably denied. Once irrevocably revealed, such a foul visage can not be rehidden from list members' awareness. Are Hermit's minions proud of his recent actions here? Can they, in all good conscience, bring themselves to support such horrendous animality any more? No rational human being can any further deny that he is a perhaps terminally noxious embarrassment to the credibility and integrity of this list. As to the sick, demented and twisted avatar, I would not be surprised if it was sent via redirector, as Hermit maintains he can use but I can't (and indeed, I have never used one, or tried to, or previously heard of its existence before he mentioned it onlist). Whether or not such a device was used, I personally have no doubt as to the avatar's original source, nor, I believe, does anyone else here who is not totally bereft of reason. The larger question is whether or not David is so dependent upon Hermit's list services that he finds it impossible to discipline him? It would seem, considering the enormity and unjustifiability of his assaults, that Hermit has no fear of list discipline whatsoever, and cares not a whit about the condemnation of 'mere' members. If he had attacked David's mother as he has attacked mine, would David still find himself constrained to be lenient with him? And why should an attack upon my mother rather than David's provoke any different (or lack of) moderator response? Are such services as Hermit performs a form of list blackmail the payment for which is the perpetual toleration of such intolerable behavior? We shall see.
RE: virus: Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #63 on: 2003-08-06 15:31:03 »
where do you get this stuff from? it's hilarious "ego-stroking carrots"...."ideological nose rings", i am in awe, i'm amazed you can make up some of this stuff. "I am one of the few who has no fear of this diseased Gorgon"
Bautiful, just beautiful....can we please send more relavent and interesting stuff for the bbs, because this is just shocking. This is starting to sound like some sort of propaganda movement....and quite frankly i'm just growing sick of it, even thought it's all quite amusing to watch.
RE: virus: Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #64 on: 2003-08-06 15:32:37 »
Joe, you're not going to make it any better. Please, you've been shown to be incapable of reason or calm, which may or may not be justified. As Bill said, please let cooler heads absorb.
You may want to think about the probability that Hermit's actions and words have been consistently and immediately overshadowed by your own rambling and overly wordy responses - to the point that before those of us who were uninvolved could digest his material we turned off in response to yours. Just be quiet and let him bury himself, as he seems to be doing, ok?
Kid-A: And you find Hermit's recent posts more relevant and interesting? I am waay beyond sick of them. I'm happy to know that you are amused, since your professed amusement tells me much about you. The decent people here seem to be sickened by his actions, and should be.
Re: virus: Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #66 on: 2003-08-06 15:49:52 »
From: "Joe Dees" > If he had attacked David's mother as he has attacked mine, would David > still find himself constrained to be lenient with him? And why should > an attack upon my mother rather than David's provoke any different > (or lack of) moderator response?
If Hermit attacked my mother I would probably do the same thing as I did when you accused me of sucking on Hermit's "ideologicallly syphilitic dick", that is, nothing but lose respect for the attacker. I certainly wouldn't retaliate in kind because that would just be stupid, right?
I haven't decided on an appropriate response yet. As I told Hermit, I feel nauseous over the cesspool that used to be the CoV.
Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #67 on: 2003-08-06 15:50:16 »
I would be interested as to what that tells you about me Joe, i dont approve of what Hermit has said, but one thing i do know is that two wrongs dont make a right, so i'd quit while you're ahead, because repling in such a way is just as bad or worse than what has been said to you in the past.
Kid-A: I have never said anything to him that remotely approaches his vile slander. David: I posted that single epithet to you in a fit of anger, when you appeared to me to be taking hermit's side on a question of BBS list abuse (his posting disgusting pictures to the board concerning me, and when I responded in kind, his using his position as moderator to move my pictures, but not his own). As I recall, you demanded - and received - an apology for me. Hermit, however, rather than engaging in a single angry slip, has engaged in a cold, calculated and continuing campaign cosisting of the list vilification of my mother and myself. He has not only continued that campaign to the present day, but sworn publicly to the list never to apologize for it. I trust you can discern the massive differences between these two cases.
Re: virus: Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #69 on: 2003-08-06 17:16:21 »
Joe: I can completely understand your position, and apologise if you took offence at anything i posted earlier, what Hermit has done is crude and unnacceptable in my honest opinion, and i believe that David will do what is needed to see that it doesnt happen again, I can see you have a lot of support, but i dont see how trying to 'rally up the troops' as you seem to be trying to do, is going to help matters any.
Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #70 on: 2003-08-06 17:23:58 »
I suspect that the question you ask is improperly addressed. Surely it is not David Lucifer you have to convince of your glory, it is the list. If you are quite as sure of yourself as you have claimed in your latest batch of attempted self-justifications, then why haven't you signed up to get your reputation rated so we can all see the support you assert you have? Could it be that in addition to being full of shit and blustering bravado, you are a indeed a whimpering coward, scared of rejection and cannot bear to find out what everyone else really thinks of you? Even when you repeatedly assert that you have the support of many here? Or are you half certain that it is a trap. That despite everything, you suspect that the list is still riddled with what you have repeatedly termed as "sneering minions"? What does that make you? Rather than just a demented bull elephant with his balls caught on a thorn that will not release, desperately changing the direction in which you pull with every new volley and finding no way out, you are a snarling hypocrite knowing you are in a minority yet attempting to force everyone else to follow your path - an we will not, like a vile mongrel in a manger, pissing on the fodder to ensure that it is bitter for every one.
You've given us tens of thousands of words. But they don't count any more than mine do. We will judge you on your actions. Loser.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #71 on: 2003-08-06 17:25:53 »
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"It looks at face value like an attempt to re-ignite the Joe's mother row which was arguably the most damaging set-to we have seen in the church"
Quite. That is how personal feuds tend to manifest themselves, and it's clearly a rather revolting spectacle and one detrimental to the CoV as a whole. Can I suggest a brief period of calm for David to consider his response?
Kid-A: Apology accepted. No hard feelings. One point: I deeeply believe that if Jeffrey Dahmer shared your political positions, but was otherwise his destructive and disgusting self, he would nevertheless not be personally worthy of your support or respect. I now see that you share that sane and sensible opinion, and this knowledge cheers me.
OK: I joined the system. Hermit's dropping karma ratings, and my rising karma ratings, in response to his scurrilous and scrofulous attacks upon my mother and myself, give me hope that fairness, objectivity and equity may yet triumph there. Time will tell whether or not this hope is well and truly placed.
Re:Notice and Proposal of Importance to all Virians
« Reply #74 on: 2003-08-06 18:16:41 »
Congratulations. You are not entirely a coward. Now go back and reread what I said previously about a schism.
Kindly also reconsider the "soft schism" (being multiple perspectives of the CoV, which is what I propose), together with terms of use to prevent the need for you to threaten me by calling me a "supporter of terrorists" and "AntiAmerican" or insult me by calling me a racist, and which prevents me from adding vitriol to your descriptions of your mother and casting epithets in your direction. One which stops angry people from calling David a cocksucker. One which stops people from breaking their word on confidentiality. One that prevents involuntary outing. One that makes it unnecessary to assault newbies or trash the list driving off losers like Aaron, Everettie and Yash.
When you think about it, maybe it makes sense after all.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999