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« Reply #30 on: 2005-11-01 13:33:51 »
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Quote from: Salamantis on 2005-10-31 19:46:34   

Here are some possible conclusions you have failed to imagine:
1) it is in fact not the purpose of this forum to discuss Islamofascism

But Islamofascism is a memeplex, and a particularly nasty one at that.  It would seem to be solidly within the list purview to discuss it.

Yes it is within the purview, but we have no *obligation* to discuss it.

The fact that we haven't been discussing what you think we should in no way implies that we are sympathetic to terrorists. I don't understand your "logic" at all. Do you apply the same reasoning to the memetics list? Are they all closet islamofascists too?

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« Reply #32 on: 2005-11-01 14:13:33 »
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Any arguments regarding Christianity are equally valid against Islam. The two religions are really not that different. And both are a serious threat to the future of humantity. Christianity is more germain to this thread because they are the ones trying to teach myth as science in America.
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But you still haven't made clear *why* people might feel disinclined *here* to critically analyze the Islamofascist memeset, when they take great delight in doing so vis-a-vis Christian memeplexes.  They ARE both patriarchal monotheisms, are they not? And are they (and Judaism, too) not historically related?  Soooo....what's the hang-up?  I still have yet to see a more feasible theory put forth than the disinclination to criticize other (though not fellow) enemies-of-Bush...

All four of the theories I put forth are more plausible than our alleged sympathy for Islamofascism. You still have yet to point to a single instance of anyone here defending terrorists. Obviously you can't because we never have. I have no idea what I can say to convince you of the truth here so I won't put much effort into it, but our audience can see for themselves.
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I have to conclude that it is due to the anti-US - and specifically, anti-Bush - stance of a solid majority of the list members.


Sir, I take acception to your conclusion that the majority of the members of this board are anti-US. That is a highly inflamatory and incorrect statement.
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Re:Why Intelligent Design Is Going to Win
« Reply #36 on: 2005-11-02 11:39:47 »
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Thank you, Salamantis

A discussion about Islam as a dangerous memeset is acceptable to me. Its dangers are obvious. Still, we must not consider this an excuse to let our attention laps from the Neo-Christian memeset which is IMO even more dangerous.

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not the beam that is in thine own eye?
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And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest
not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Matthew 7:3, and very well used indeed.
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« Reply #39 on: 2005-11-02 18:04:08 »
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Quote from: Salamantis on 2005-11-02 16:26:22   

To Mentor and Fox: (see above).


I think your treatise on Islam is not wholly inaccurate. Although the Bush administration has alienated fully half the American population and a majority of the free world with what may be branded "Christofascism", it is hardly an excuse to ignore the threat posed by "Islamofascists". I think many here would contribute to a thread dedicated to that subject.

Islam is indeed a particularly virulent strain of religion. Power in the hands of any religion based on myth, no matter how benevolent, is a very dangerous thing.
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Re:Why Intelligent Design Is Going to Win
« Reply #40 on: 2005-11-02 18:05:23 »
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Quote from: Salamantis on 2005-11-01 20:14:12   

Lucifer:
I convincingly answered your four 'reasons' earlier in this thread:

I see your point. The most plausible explanation for the lack of interest here in engaging you on the topic of Islamofascism is that the majority of Virians are in fact Islamofascists. Thank you for opening my eyes. I will report us to the appropriate authorities. 
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Re:Why Intelligent Design Is Going to Win
« Reply #42 on: 2005-11-04 11:51:00 »
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Religious fundamentalism in the form of evangelicals and american baptists uniting behind the republican party is the real threat to America. Islam is a convinient distraction from their overt power grab.  The goal of islamic fundamentalism may be to destroy the infidel. But realistically they have little power to damage us. Rather, the islamists are unwittingly duped into being a tool for christian fundamentalism's crusaid for world domination. Every time the right wing power grab is questioned by the public, they simply rattle the Islamists cage.
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Re:Why Intelligent Design Is Going to Win
« Reply #43 on: 2005-11-04 12:31:22 »
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Since we have strayed so far from intelligent design, I say why change now?


Quote from: Mentor on 2005-11-04 11:51:00   

Religious fundamentalism in the form of evangelicals and american baptists uniting behind the republican party is the real threat to America. Islam is a convinient distraction from their overt power grab.  The goal of islamic fundamentalism may be to destroy the infidel. But realistically they have little power to damage us. Rather, the islamists are unwittingly duped into being a tool for christian fundamentalism's crusaid for world domination. Every time the right wing power grab is questioned by the public, they simply rattle the Islamists cage.

This is very close to how I see it.  I wouldn't however call the Islamic Jihadists the dupe in this equation.  We provide them with a powerful, yet compliant enemy, and a theme for recruitment.  One might feel tempted to say that the Bush administration was the duped one, however as individual people they seemed to have managed to personally enrich themselves even while selling out basic American interests and security in a global sense.  Meanwhile security in the homeland looks ominous as well since the administration seems incapable of planning or competantly responding to even the most basic and predictable of natural disasters not to mention man-made ones.  Somebody is certainly the chump here, and I think it is us, the US citizenry who are being played willingly or not.
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Re:Why Intelligent Design Is Going to Win
« Reply #44 on: 2005-11-04 12:49:57 »
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That is interesting. Essentially, enlightened thought is loosing out to fundamentalism as the arguement is couched in terms of Christian vs. Muslim. Us or them. Pick your side.
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