| 2006-11-12 11:00:35
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| 11:00:35 | WW | Is the quorum here or at the castle? |
| 11:00:42 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: Welcome all |
| 11:01:05 | Sat | avast |
| 11:01:09 | WW | arrrr |
| 11:01:21 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: Today's topic is atheism vs. agnosticism |
| 11:01:31 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: It was motivated by a discussion on KMO's blog |
| 11:01:47 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: which was in turn motivated by the new Wired cover story on The New Atheists |
| 11:02:16 | WW | which was in turn motivated by the big bang |
| 11:02:24 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow nods |
| 11:02:54 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: Apparently the new atheists are causing a backlash in the moderate community |
| 11:03:23 | WW | rumble, rumble , harumph, harumph |
| 11:03:29 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: Dawkins, Dennett and Sam Harris are being raked over the coals for being too polarizing |
| 11:03:52 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: KMO claims Dawkins is actually pushing religious people away from science |
| 11:04:00 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: by claiming that religion and science are incompatible |
| 11:04:10 | WW | as in not being accepting of other possible realms of existence or something like that? |
| 11:04:18 | WW | oh. ok. |
| 11:04:40 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: The moderates claim they are compatible |
| 11:04:42 | goomba | do religious people even pay attention to dawkins? |
| 11:04:55 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: even most scientists claim religion is compatible |
| 11:05:13 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: apparently some do goomba |
| 11:05:20 | WW | that's really stretching the term compatible |
| 11:06:00 | WW | not mutually exlusive maybe? |
| 11:06:10 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: Perhaps they are following Gould's notion of NOMA, non-overlapping magesteria |
| 11:06:44 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: The realm of science is the material, religion covers the transcendental |
| 11:06:52 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: Which would be nice if it was true |
| 11:07:02 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: But of course it is not, religions make factual claims |
| 11:07:25 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: Gould is trying to sweep the elephant under the rug hoping no one would notice |
| 11:08:09 | WW | Santa Claus is NOMA then |
| 11:08:31 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: I'm looking for ideas for arguments I can use in KMO's blog and maybe podcast |
| 11:08:40 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow: to represent the new atheist perspective |
