| 2006-09-03 11:01:23
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| 11:01:23 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: OK, let's begin |
| 11:01:27 | WW | WW (~wlwatts@[death to spam].ip68-13-248-35.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #virus |
| 11:01:46 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: This week's topic is "The necessity of suffering" |
| 11:01:49 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow welcomes WW |
| 11:02:01 | WW | halo |
| 11:02:11 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: Thanks to White_Fox for the suggestion |
| 11:02:51 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: The more I think about it, the more complex it seems |
| 11:03:54 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: First, suffering presupposes an agent that is not only conscious but has preferences (values) |
| 11:04:14 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: Maybe all conscious agents have values |
| 11:05:03 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: Let's define suffering as a conscious state that the agent would prefer to avoid |
| 11:05:08 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: It has main forms |
| 11:05:16 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: Pain is the most obvious |
| 11:05:42 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: But there is also hunger and thirst, boredom, angst, sadness, etc. etc |
| 11:05:51 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: Can you think of other forms? |
| 11:06:27 | WW | I'm trying to wake up ;) |
| 11:06:34 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: heh |
| 11:06:36 | SLacker | Manoj Undercity has arrived |
| 11:06:41 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow welcomes Manoj |
| 11:06:51 | SLacker | Manoj Undercity: Hello Lucifer.. nice to meet you again ! |
| 11:07:04 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: Manoj, this week's chat topic is "the necessity of suffering" |
| 11:07:19 | SLacker | Manoj Undercity: ah.. borderline buddhism |
| 11:07:42 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: actually I'm not assuming suffering is necessary |
| 11:07:49 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: That is part of the debate |
| 11:08:11 | SLacker | Manoj Undercity: oh i am f the view that some idea of suffering is required to appreciate pleasure |
| 11:08:14 | SLacker | Manoj Undercity: life |
| 11:08:16 | SLacker | Manoj Undercity: etc |
| 11:08:28 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: I confess I chose the topic wording to be somewhat provocative |
| 11:08:41 | SLacker | Manoj Undercity: hehe..the devil confesses ! |
| 11:08:51 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow: Anyway, have a seat, make yourself comfortable :) |
| 11:09:04 | SLacker | Lucifer Darrow offers everyone tea and crumpets |
