| 2004-06-01 20:00:04
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| 20:00:04 | Lucifer | who here is a self-identified libertarian? |
| 20:00:05 | Ophis | I'll take the libertarian side as depicted by me. :-) |
| 20:00:15 | prometheus | Me too. |
| 20:00:32 | rhino | ok, depict away |
| 20:00:49 | localroger | * localroger loads up his great big nanny-state baseball bat with environmentally friendly lead shot |
| 20:01:05 | JerryLee | lol |
| 20:01:12 | JerryLee | localroger the gun nut |
| 20:01:38 | localroger | Gun nut? |
| 20:01:52 | rhino | what would ou say are the proper basic postulates? |
| 20:01:58 | localroger | * localroger looks around his house for a gun. |
| 20:02:01 | Lucifer | So localroger agrees with Seth Finkelstein... anyone else? |
| 20:02:12 | localroger | Nothing here except the bazooka on my desk. |
| 20:02:21 | [Nurgle] | I'll take Seths point of view too |
| 20:02:43 | Lucifer | First, is it true that lib. is highly axiomatic, and if so, is that bad? |
| 20:03:02 | Ophis | I think it's true and I think it's a good thing. |
| 20:03:25 | Ophis | It provides a compas against which one may guide or judge a decision |
| 20:03:27 | localroger | I'd say Seth is right that Libertarianism (as a political movement) is bad precisely because it is axiomatic, rather than being driven by desirable effects and demonstrable causes. |
| 20:03:52 | rhino | ok, what are the axiom(s)? |
| 20:03:56 | prometheus | How about evidence supported axioms? |
| 20:04:09 | localroger | If you need evidence to support them they aren't axioms any more. |
| 20:04:20 | rhino | they may be |
| 20:04:45 | Ophis | They may be axioms supported by evidence without needing to be supported a-priori |
| 20:04:56 | prometheus | Exactly. |
| 20:05:04 | rhino | but what i saw was a "moral principle" |
| 20:05:15 | Lucifer | Seth's main first criticism seems to be that lib.s arrive at "obviously kooky" conclusions even though they seem to follow logically from the axioms. |
| 20:05:16 | localroger | The main axioms are THE MARKET IS ALWAYS RIGHT and GOVERNMENT CAN DO NOTHING RIGHT. |
| 20:05:27 | rhino | how can you support a moral principle with evidence |
| 20:05:27 | [Nurgle] | Lib. isn't actually for anything, it's against. |
| 20:05:28 | Ophis | I'll try to write a few axioms... |
| 20:05:36 | Lucifer | localroger, I hope you are kidding |
