2004-05-18 20:00:07
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20:00:07 | Ophis | Unlike what you may think, my frequent flyer miles didn't come "for free" :-) |
20:00:39 | rhino | i know, and you want me to pay for mine too, i guess :) |
20:00:53 | prometheus | Ophis believes in the freedom of intellectual property. I will argue with him there, rhino. |
20:01:15 | Ophis | Well, if frequent flyer miles were free, I guess they wouldn't be worth very much to anybody |
20:01:48 | Ophis | I'm going to have a tough nighe... |
20:02:07 | rhino | prometheus, i guess you menn freedom not as in "no cost" |
20:02:08 | Ophis | Should we get started even if the Overloard isn't around? |
20:02:52 | Ophis | It's more complex than that rhino. I simply don't think that IP should be legally protected |
20:03:00 | prometheus | I mean freedom as in no property rights for intellectual property. |
20:04:35 | Ophis | So, let's chat about what should be free. Should air and water be free? Healthcare? Lodging? |
20:04:39 | rhino | is ophis' difference based in that there should not exist an enforcement authority |
20:05:09 | rhino | ? |
20:05:31 | prometheus | As I understand it Ophis believes that property rights only apply to physical objects and not to more abstract entities. |
20:05:43 | Ophis | I think there'll always be an "enforcement authority". I just favor enforcement authorities that one choses willingly |
20:06:57 | rhino | i don't think technical knowledge is that much different from physical artifacts |
20:07:06 | Ophis | Indeed, I think property applies only to things that can be taken away from an owner |
20:07:16 | rhino | maybe my main difference in the "should" verb |
20:08:08 | rhino | i think property and owner are abstraction fro extremely complex social arrangements |
20:08:34 | Rotaerk | Rotaerk (~Rotaerk@[death to spam].0-1pool119-67.nas6.augusta2.ga.us.da.qwest.net) has quit IRC [Quit: Leaving] |
20:08:45 | rhino | which have to be always enforrces, ao that they don't fall apart |
20:09:12 | Ophis | rhino, I think an important aspect of "property" is that it can be controlled by the owner |
20:09:59 | rhino | when you earn something for your work or your ownership, that something is not embeded i. it copmes from the whole system you are operating in |
20:10:33 | Ophis | and...? |
20:10:34 | rhino | that is why land value differs, for example |
20:11:07 | rhino | you don't really own something with a value per se |
20:11:29 | Jonesey | serenade, you're right, info enters the market all the time, but it's tough if you're not a market gatekeeper, those guys really suck out most of the first order info |
20:11:45 | Ophis | land and houses are not like music and ideas. I can steal your house and forcefully prevent you from enjoying it. I can't steal your idea and prevent you from enjoying it. |
20:12:24 | Ophis | I agree that value is subjective and that any piece of property cannot be ascribed an "objective" value. |
20:12:26 | rhino | ophis, yes but the value of that house is something coming from the whole system |
20:12:35 | Ophis | We agree on that |