2003-04-22 19:00:11
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19:00:11 | localroger | googlebot: bookends-in-time |
19:00:12 | googlebot | googling for bookends-in-time |
19:00:12 | googlebot | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/2/1/1964/63607 |
19:00:27 | ChanServ | Mode change [+o Lucifer] on #virus by ChanServ |
19:00:38 | Lucifer | Time to begin |
19:01:01 | Lucifer | The topic is "What is truth?" |
19:01:22 | Resonte | that's you in the red coat http://www.dynamicwebspace.com/peachfront/sfgroup.jpg wow looks a bit liek me :) |
19:01:25 | Lucifer | What kinds of things can be true? |
19:01:39 | Lucifer | How do we know what is true? |
19:01:43 | Resonte | oops |
19:01:49 | Lucifer | Are there things that are true that we can never know? |
19:02:03 | Sat | is there such a thing as truth? |
19:02:04 | Lucifer | Are there different varieties of truth? |
19:02:17 | Lucifer | Is truth a human concept? |
19:02:25 | Lucifer | Is it specific to different cultures? |
19:02:48 | Lucifer | Who knows the truth about truth? |
19:03:03 | Sat | Is it Absolute or relative? |
19:03:13 | Lucifer | Any idealists in the crowd today? Any empiricists or pragmatists? |
19:03:15 | Sat | a linguistic construct? |
19:03:40 | Lucifer | OK, let's open it up |
19:03:57 | localroger | Truth defines a relationship between statements we make about the world and the world itself; it's complicated because each of us experiences the world in a personal way |
19:04:15 | Lucifer | Complicated, but not insurmountable |
19:04:24 | Lucifer | Assuming we live in the same world, that is |
19:04:40 | Sat | I'll simply say this and then shut up: truth is subjective. |
19:04:58 | localroger | You can chase it so far down the epistemological rabbit hole that you end up making ridiculous conjectures about faerie structures, but that's not what any real person means when we use the word "truth" |
19:05:28 | Lucifer | Don't people use the word in different ways? |
19:05:31 | localroger | I'd say that each of us has in our head a model of how the world works based on our experience. When a statement conforms to our model we consider it true. |
19:05:52 | Lucifer | Agreed, that is the "coherence theory" of truth |
19:05:56 | localroger | There is a big grounding problem. Words only mean things through relationships which are also personal. |
19:06:22 | Lucifer | But the coherence theory is at odds with what you mentioned above about corresponding to the world in some way |