| 2003-04-08 20:00:28
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| 20:00:28 | Lucifer | OK, time to begin |
| 20:00:38 | Lucifer | The transparent society is upon us |
| 20:00:55 | Lucifer | Soon there will exist the technology to monitor anything of interest going on anywhere |
| 20:01:31 | Lucifer | Ubiquitous cameras recording every action for anonymous viewers to scrutinize and judge |
| 20:01:40 | Sat | joy |
| 20:01:50 | Lucifer | Does this future give you joy or dread? |
| 20:01:55 | rhino | apparently that will happen, at least for monitoring a chosen target |
| 20:02:04 | Lucifer | Is in really inevitable? |
| 20:02:09 | Sat | a mixture of both |
| 20:02:10 | Lucifer | Is it desirable? |
| 20:02:13 | localroger | It's inevitable. |
| 20:02:54 | localroger | While Brin portrays it as an equalizing thing I tend to think the State will always have the technological edge. |
| 20:03:02 | Sat | I do as well. |
| 20:03:13 | rhino | what i am not sure that is inevitable is monitoring everything without having targeted on that |
| 20:03:17 | Sat | "National Security' and all that |
| 20:03:22 | localroger | He also treats only very shallowly the ease with which records can be faked and altered. |
| 20:03:55 | Lucifer | Here's another fictional account, putting surveillance in a positive light>> http://www.e-sheep.com/spiders/ |
| 20:04:10 | localroger | Powerful entities will always be able to claim that li'l guy's recordings were faked, while believable faking technology will always be more accessible to governments. |
| 20:04:38 | localroger | I saw spiders more as a "distributed computing hearts-and-minds war." |
| 20:04:51 | Lucifer | The ability to alter recordings is a huge factor here |
| 20:05:41 | Lucifer | What if recordings could be verified cryptographically? |
| 20:05:56 | localroger | How do you key sign a recording you don't know is being made? |
| 20:06:00 | Lucifer | Sort of in the same way that you can verify integrity of a text message with pgp? |
| 20:06:41 | rhino | also, the ability to act on a crime will be limited by the percentage of people that can prosecuted. that will have an effect on law and morals |
| 20:06:42 | Lucifer | roger, you don't but the recording agent does (hypothetically) |
| 20:07:26 | localroger | Say someone takes my picture in doing some ordinary activity. In the transparent society, these images will be common as pollen grains. Then they transpose it into an illegal context, using advanced editing technology not available to me. |
| 20:07:44 | Deltree | Deltree (Deltree_@[death to spam].HSE-Montreal-ppp3472232.sympatico.ca) has left #virus |
| 20:07:45 | localroger | I'm left sputtering "but it's not true" as I'm led off to prison. |
| 20:08:03 | Lucifer | Kind of like Blair Witch 2? |
| 20:08:09 | Lucifer | (sorry) |
