| 2003-02-25 20:00:12
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| 20:00:12 | Shadow | So its time. Who wants to grab the football first? |
| 20:00:18 | WW | If this chat is becoming something I have to study for........ ;-'> |
| 20:00:31 | Shadow | YEs, we had two links as teasers. |
| 20:00:46 | Shadow | http://www.petersingerlinks.com/escalator.htm |
| 20:00:58 | Shadow | and http://www.users.bigpond.com/pmurray/exchristian/Stories/0110.html |
| 20:01:11 | Shadow | but no specific topic decided yet. |
| 20:02:00 | Shadow | rhino and I carried on about the Singer link on Sunday. |
| 20:02:02 | Lucifer | The Peter Singer link basically argues that reason + empathy + vision inevitably leads to a social activist perspective |
| 20:02:12 | Eliezer | can't argue with that |
| 20:02:27 | crw | crw (~none@[death to spam].ip-216-39-251-26.hqglobal.net) has quit IRC [Quit: ] |
| 20:02:38 | Eliezer | it's just that Singer doesn't have quite *enough* reason to see what he should be an activist about |
| 20:02:41 | rhino | he talks about a universal view though |
| 20:03:12 | Lucifer | rhino, yes, I take that to mean vision taken to an extreme |
| 20:03:20 | Lucifer | vision and empathy |
| 20:03:43 | rhino | and he tries to estabish a metric. "suffering" |
| 20:03:56 | Shadow | A universalist PoV as opposed to the individualist PoV? |
| 20:03:57 | Eliezer | right, like the inverse of fun |
| 20:04:11 | rhino | a iniversal view... i am not sure |
| 20:04:23 | WW | nothin wrong with that---The Peter Singer link basically argues that reason + empathy + vision inevitably leads to a social activist perspective |
| 20:04:23 | WW | <Eliezer> can't argue with that |
| 20:04:52 | Lucifer | WW, I guess it might be disturbing to the libertarians in the crowd, extropians included |
| 20:05:03 | Shadow | What about his criteria of pain, does that lead us to become animal rights activists? |
| 20:05:16 | WW | It's what keeps WW from RUNNING to the right!!!!!!! |
| 20:05:35 | Shadow | vegetarians and so forth. |
| 20:06:25 | staphx | I guess I just don't see why libertarianism *has* to be exclusive of things like social activism... |
| 20:06:35 | Eliezer | I'm willing to tolerate a meat-eating general intelligence if it gets us to the Singularity |
| 20:07:06 | WW | I'm not sure what the topic is,folks, but we're fixing to start bombing!!!! |
| 20:07:07 | WW | Walter Watts of the Royal Society of Bombing Brown People Under Dubious Circumstances Present.... |
| 20:07:28 | Shadow | Eliezer, what about for yourself? Are you vegetarian or would consider it on grounds of empathy? |
| 20:07:30 | Eliezer | * Eliezer raises his Sigil of Protection Against Iraq Discussion |
