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[MO]Certainly the technical difficulties warrant that kind of cheer leading, I just hope Daddy is up to that kinda energy. . . . we'll soon see I suppose.

[Fritz]So where is Red Adair or some brave Texan !

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[Blunderov] I'm skeptical (so what else is new - heh). It seems likely to me that BP would like nothing better than for this horrendous PR nightmare to go away as fast as possible. Their share prices are suffering badly. And then there's mounting bill for damages and clean up expenses. I hear, admittedly the technicalities are beyond my grasp, that the geology of the problem is such that the leak actually CANNOT be plugged. Something to do with the undersea surface of the area dictates (according to some opinions) that if they plug the leak it will simply burst out some where even less amenable to the possibility of control. Apparently the undersea surface there is very sandy and loose for quite some way down.

I'm as deeply suspicious of capitalist amorality as the next man (well as some men anyway) but it seems possible that BP could be actually bankrupted if this goes on much longer. I doubt they're trying to save their well. I think they would prefer to save their asses. If they can...
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[Blunderov] A promising suggestion found on facebook: why not plug the fountainhead with the collected works of Ayn Rand? The massive weight of her collected tomes is estimated by some literary critics to be well capable of compressing the sea floor right down to bedrock. looks like win/win to me...

"A modest proposal for finally putting to good use the writings of woman who has aptly been described as "Nietzsche for stupid people."

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Plugging-the-Gulf-oil-leak-with-the-works-of-Ayn-Rand/125031037519289?filter=1

Mad Frank:"Rand's books continue to be widely sold and read, with 25 million copies sold as of 2007, and 800,000 more being sold each year. You'll have plenty of books to stuff the hole with. If you can get them away from he fans. Good Luck!"

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Well here is a dooms day view of the BP disaster for Father's Day, linked from Lord Stirling's site.

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Source: Helium
Author: Terrence Aym
Date: June 19th 2010

Disturbing evidence is mounting that something frightening is happening deep under the waters of the Gulf of Mexico—something far worse than the BP oil gusher.

Warnings were raised as long as a year before the Deepwater Horizon disaster that the area of seabed chosen by the BP geologists might be unstable, or worse, inherently dangerous.

What makes the location that Transocean chose potentially far riskier than other potential oil deposits located at other regions of the Gulf? It can be summed up with two words: methane gas.


The same methane that makes coal mining operations hazardous and leads to horrendous mining accidents deep under the earth also can present a high level of danger to certain oil exploration ventures.

Location of Deepwater Horizon oil rig was criticized

More than 12 months ago some geologists rang the warning bell that the Deepwater Horizon exploratory rig might have been erected directly over a huge underground reservoir of methane.

Documents from several years ago indicate that the subterranean geologic formation may contain the presence of a huge methane deposit.

None other than the engineer who helped lead the team to snuff the Gulf oil fires set by Saddam Hussein to slow the advance of American troops has stated that a huge underground lake of methane gas—compressed by a pressure of 100,000 pounds per square inch (psi)—could be released by BP's drilling effort to obtain the oil deposit.

Current engineering technology cannot contain gas that is pressurized to 100,000 psi.

By some geologists' estimates the methane could be a massive 15 to 20 mile toxic and explosive bubble trapped for eons under the Gulf sea floor. In their opinion, the explosive destruction of the Deepwater Horizon wellhead was an accident just waiting to happen.

Yet the disaster that followed the loss of the rig pales by comparison to the apocalyptic disaster that may come.

A cascading catastrophe

According to worried geologists, the first signs that the methane may burst its way through the bottom of the ocean would be fissures or cracks appearing on the ocean floor near the damaged well head.

Evidence of fissures opening up on the seabed have been captured by the robotic submersibles working to repair and contain the ruptured well. Smaller, independent plumes have also appeared outside the nearby radius of the bore hole itself.

According to some geological experts, BP's operations set into motion a series of events that may be irreversible. Step-by-step the drilling eam committed one error after another.

Congressmen Henry Waxman, D-CA, and Bart Stupak, D-MI, in a letter sent to BP CEO Tony Hayward, identified 5 missteps made by BP during the period culminating with the explosion.

Waxman, chair of the Congressional energy panel and Stupak, the head of the subcommittee on oversight and investigations, said, "The common feature of these five decisions is that they posed a trade-off between cost and well safety."

The two Representatives also stated in the 14-page letter to Hayward that "Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense."

Called by some insiders investigating the ongoing disaster a "perfect storm of catastrophe," the wellhead blew on the sea floor catapulting a stream of mud, oil and gas upwards at the speed of sound.

In describing the events—that transpired in a matter of seconds—they note that immediately following the rupture the borehole pipe's casing blew away exposing a straight line 8 miles deep for the pressurized gas to escape. The result was cavitation, an irregular pressure variance sometimes experience by deep diving vessels such as nuclear submarines. This cavitation created a supersonic bubble of explosive methane gas that resulted in a supersonic explosion killing 11 men and completely annihilating the drilling platform.

Death from the depths

With the emerging evidence of fissures, the quiet fear now is the methane bubble rupturing the seabed and exploding into the Gulf waters. If the bubble escapes, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will instantaneously sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists measuring the oil plumes' advance will instantly perish.

As horrible as that is, what would follow is an event so potentially horrific that it equals in its fury the Indonesian tsunami that killed more than 600,000, or the destruction of Pompeii by Mt. Vesuvius.

The ultimate Gulf disaster, however, would make even those historical horrors pale by comparison. If the huge methane bubble breaches the seabed, it will erupt with an explosive fury similar to that experienced during the eruption of Mt. Saint Helens in the Pacific Northwest. A gas gusher will surge upwards through miles of ancient sedimentary rock—layer after layer—past the oil reservoir. It will explode upwards propelled by 50 tons psi, burst through the cracks and fissures ofthe compromised sea floor, and rupture miles of ocean bottom with one titanic explosion.

The burgeoning methane gas cloud will surface, killing everything it touches, and set off a supersonic tsunami with the wave traveling somewhere between 400 to 600 miles per hour.

While the entire Gulf coastline is vulnerable, the state most exposed to the fury of a supersonic wave towering 150 to 200 feet or more is Florida. The Sunshine State only averages about 100 feet above sea level with much of the coastline and lowlands and swamps near zero elevation.

A supersonic tsunami would literally sweep away everything from Miami to the panhandle in a matter of minutes. Loss of human life would be virtually instantaneous and measured in the millions. Of course the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and  southern region of Georgia—a state with no Gulf coastline—would also experience tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of casualties.

Loss of property is virtually incalculable and the days of the US position as the world's superpower would be literally gone in a flash...of detonating methane.

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Quote from: Blunderov on 2010-06-20 06:40:15   
[Blunderov] A promising suggestion found on facebook: why not plug the fountainhead with the collected works of Ayn Rand? The massive weight of her collected tomes is estimated by some literary critics to be well capable of compressing the sea floor right down to bedrock. looks like win/win to me...

"A modest proposal for finally putting to good use the writings of woman who has aptly been described as "Nietzsche for stupid people." <snip>


Did Greenspan channel or betray Ayn Rand?
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/greenspan-and-ayn-rand-disciple-or-traitor-2010-06-19?reflink=MW_news_stmp


So interestingly enough Blonderov you are in agreement with Glen Beck .
I am impressed

I still picture myself as Howard Roark in 'Fountainhead' standing on the hill top over looking the world I'm going to conquer, with my red hair wildly blowing in the breeze.  Ah to be 25 again .... with hair ... giggle.

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Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594722,00.html
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Did you know that Ayn Rand, author of "Atlas Shruugged," had a hard time getting a publisher in America for her book "The Anthem"? One publisher rejected it on the grounds that the author does not understand socialism, which is particularly funny because she was born in St. Petersburg. She was 12 years old the revolution of 1917 broke out. She was there when it happened and violence took place right in front of her. She lived there until she was in her 20s. She saw the brutality of communism.

You'd think the media would love a success story like this, but Ayn Rand was soundly mocked in the media. Even after achieving success, she was still routinely bashed by critics. Here's what the media elite thought of "Atlas Shrugged":

• "Not in any literary sense a serious novel" — The New York Times

• "Somebody has called it: 'Excruciatingly awful.' I find it a remarkably silly book. It is certainly a bumptious one. Its story is preposterous." — Whittaker Chambers

• "As an instrument of propaganda, this book is a moderate success; as a work of art, it is a noble failure" — Portsmouth Star

• "1,168 Pages of Soap Opera Philosophy and Propaganda" — The Savannah News

Just how strange were the concepts in it? Let's see: The book focuses on how politicians respond to crises — many times created by themselves — by creating new government programs, laws and regulations. She wrote in "The Voice of Reason": "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary."

Is that not happening today? How many times have you heard "capitalism has failed"?

She also showed how politicians would dress their redistributive legislation in happy sounding names. Sound familiar? Tell me which ones are from the book and which one is real:

• "Anti-greed Act"

• "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act"

• "Equalization of Opportunity Act"

Clearly, Ayn Rand had no idea what she was talking about.

— Watch "Glenn Beck" weekdays at 5 p.m. ET on Fox News Channel
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[i] So interestingly enough Blunderov you are in agreement with Glen Beck .
I am impressed


[Blunderov] Oh Fritz you are such a tease. I'm being ironic in a GOOD way, Beck on the other hand...

Ayn Rand was a great philosopher. Discuss.

"A building has integrity just like a man. And just as seldom."
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] This from the great 'builder'?

A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.]Supposedly competition is the basis of the free market. Creativity is usually subordinate to success in the business world as far as I can see. Unless of course Rand is talking about artists. I don't think she is.

A desire presupposes the possibility of action to achieve it; action presupposes a goal which is worth achieving.
Ayn Rand

[Bl] This is quite simply not true of the real world. cf Don Quixote. There's a lot of it about.

Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] Rand takes it upon herself to stipulate what we may and may not define as happiness?  Inflicting pain or indulging in mindless self-indulgence is disqualified? Why is this woman limiting my freedom to build a world in my own image?

Achieving life is not the equivalent of avoiding death.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] Rhetoric. One might agree but the equivocation should be noted. Death is meant in the biological sense. Life is not.

Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth.
Ayn Rand

[Bl] Is this socialism? Somehow I suspect not. Rand probably intends this reward only for the deserving warrior creators. The disadvantaged need not apply.

Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] The ideal society is one without laws? Sounds a bit 'savage' to me.

Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] I love this one. Rand contradicts the notion of contradiction? Perhaps she should revisit her premisies?

Do not ever say that the desire to "do good" by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] I wonder how many people wake up in the morning with the burning ambition to do something truly stupid? Not even BP I would guess. (BTW wouldn't it be nice if CNN referred to the gulf oil spill as "The BP Oil Spill in the Gulf". The gulf didn't do it all by itself after all.)

Every aspect of Western culture needs a new code of ethics - a rational ethics - as a precondition of rebirth.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] Seems a bit absolutist. Every aspect? Including trickle down economics? Somehow I don't think Rand would go quite that far.
Ayn Rand

Every man builds his world in his own image. He has the power to choose, but no power to escape the necessity of choice.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] A reasonable observation. However, some people have more choices than others it should be noted.

Evil requires the sanction of the victim.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] "Well your honour, she was wearing a really short  skirt. She was asking for it."

Force and mind are opposites; morality ends where a gun begins.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] If we achieve our ideal Randian society without law, where men a freed from men, what will remain but lex talionis?

From the smallest necessity to the highest religious abstraction, from the wheel to the skyscraper, everything we are and everything we have comes from one attribute of man - the function of his reasoning mind.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.]And oftentimes from the malfunction of his reasoning mind. Like for instance "The British Petroleum oil spill in the gulf".

God... a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man's power to conceive.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] OK. Pass on that.

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution... the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] Government enforcement of unreasonable safety regulations caused the BP oil spill in the gulf?

Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one's values.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] I'm sure Hitler would have agreed.

I don't build in order to have clients. I have clients in order to build.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.]At what point though, does all this building become sufficient? If one's value is to build, and the achievement of happiness depends upon the realisation of one's values, then it seems we are doomed to the fate of Sisyphus. Stoics would perhaps agree. Rand however seems to believe it possible to transcend destiny which the Stoics do not.

I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
Ayn Rand

[Bl.] Rand and her husband, Frank O’Connor, chose not to have any children. None of her main characters ever have children, and they are rarely mentioned in her fiction, leaving the question why she omitted that part of life, which is central to many people. Evidently her fondness for building did not extend to the institution of family. How much of Rand's much vaunted 'civilization' would exist if everyone chose as she did?

If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject.
[Bl.] Lex Talionis again. Hmmm.

[Bl.] I realise that the commentary that I have offered is somewhat flippant. It was jotted down off the top of my head. Nevertheless, feel free to dissect it mercilessly.

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