RE: virus: Pain management memes?
« on: 2005-05-03 02:45:48 »
[Blunderov] Is it possible that knowledge about pain management gleaned down the aeons can become genetically heritable? Or does the fact that this knowledge appears in different ancient cultures (before the ready transmission of information by printing) simply reflect the well known tendency of science to produce simultaneous discoveries in response to a pervasive problem of the particular milieu?
"At last the truth about acupuncture: it's as good as drugs for treating pain Critics of the ancient Chinese therapy say it is no better than a placebo. But a new study using brain-mapping shows it has a similar effect to standard Western medicines."
"...The famous Ebers Papyrus (dated from about 7,000 BC* and now in the British Museum) shows diagrams of what are clearly acupuncture meridians....
In 1991 Oetzi the "Ice Man" was discovered mummified in the Tyrolean Alps. His frozen corpse has dated from 5,200 years ago. Oetzi was recognized as a warrior and clearly had many skirmishes in battle and several injuries had resulted. What was remarkable was that there were marks on the body coinciding with known acupuncture points.
X-rays of the ice man's body revealed evidence of arthritis in the hip joints, knees, ankles and lumbar spine. Nine of the mummy's 15 tattoos are located on the urinary bladder meridian, a meridian commonly associated with treating back pain. In fact, one of the mummy's two cross-shaped tattoos is located near the left ankle on point UB60, which is considered by several texts a "master point for back pain."3-5
"The fact that not randomly selected points, but rather corresponding groups of points were marked by tattoos, seems especially intriguing," the researchers noted. "From an acupuncturist's viewpoint, the combination of points selected represents a meaningful therapeutic regimen.
[References: 1. Dorfer L, et al. A medical report from the stone age? Lancet Sep 18, 1999;354:1023-5. 2. Glausiusz J. The ice man healeth. Discover February 2000.]"
[Blunderov]* Hmmm. My information on the Ebers papyrus is that it is NOT 9000 years old.
Description: This Egyptian papyrus from about 1552 B.C. is the oldest preserved medical document. It measures about 20.23 m in length and 30 cm. in height. More complete than the Edwin Smith papyrus, it is the most important medical papyrus yet recovered. It is written in hieratic script and contains the most complete record of Egyptian medicine known. The 110 pages scroll contains 700 magical formulas and folk remedies meant to cure afflictions ranging from crocodile bite to toenail pain and to rid the house of such pests as flies, rats, and scorpions.
The papyrus contains chapters on intestinal disease, helminthiasis, ophthalmology, dermatology, gynaecology, obstetrics, pregnancy diagnosis, contraception, dentistry, and the surgical treatment of abscesses, tumours, fractures and burns. The ancient Egyptians say that a depressed skull fracture looked like a puncture in a pottery jar.
It also includes a surprisingly accurate description of the circulatory system, noting the existence of blood vessels throughout the body and the hearts function as a centre of the blood supply. It also refers to birth control, diabetes mellitus, trachoma, hookworm and filariasis, as well as forms of arthritis.
The papyrus also contains a short section on psychiatry. It describes a condition of severe despondency that is equivalent to our modern definition of depression.
Some believe the papyrus to be a copy of the even more ancient books of Thoth (3000BC), reputed father of medicine, pharmacy and alchemy. It is now in the University of Leipzig library.
....on a lighter note: i would wager that those guys you see from time to time training themselves to withstand hard direct kicks to the bollocks are a recent phenomenon. while impressive, i somehow do not find it very inspirational. sometimes when you win, you really lose.
[Blunderov] Is it possible that knowledge about pain management gleaned down the aeons can become genetically heritable? Or does the fact that this knowledge appears in different ancient cultures (before the ready transmission of information by printing) simply reflect the well known tendency of science to produce simultaneous discoveries in response to a pervasive problem of the particular milieu?
"At last the truth about acupuncture: it's as good as drugs for treating pain Critics of the ancient Chinese therapy say it is no better than a placebo. But a new study using brain-mapping shows it has a similar effect to standard Western medicines."
"...The famous Ebers Papyrus (dated from about 7,000 BC* and now in the British Museum) shows diagrams of what are clearly acupuncture meridians....
In 1991 Oetzi the "Ice Man" was discovered mummified in the Tyrolean Alps. His frozen corpse has dated from 5,200 years ago. Oetzi was recognized as a warrior and clearly had many skirmishes in battle and several injuries had resulted. What was remarkable was that there were marks on the body coinciding with known acupuncture points.
X-rays of the ice man's body revealed evidence of arthritis in the hip joints, knees, ankles and lumbar spine. Nine of the mummy's 15 tattoos are located on the urinary bladder meridian, a meridian commonly associated with treating back pain. In fact, one of the mummy's two cross-shaped tattoos is located near the left ankle on point UB60, which is considered by several texts a "master point for back pain."3-5
"The fact that not randomly selected points, but rather corresponding groups of points were marked by tattoos, seems especially intriguing," the researchers noted. "From an acupuncturist's viewpoint, the combination of points selected represents a meaningful therapeutic regimen.
[References: 1. Dorfer L, et al. A medical report from the stone age? Lancet Sep 18, 1999;354:1023-5. 2. Glausiusz J. The ice man healeth. Discover February 2000.]"
[Blunderov]* Hmmm. My information on the Ebers papyrus is that it is NOT 9000 years old.
Description: This Egyptian papyrus from about 1552 B.C. is the oldest preserved medical document. It measures about 20.23 m in length and 30 cm. in height. More complete than the Edwin Smith papyrus, it is the most important medical papyrus yet recovered. It is written in hieratic script and contains the most complete record of Egyptian medicine known. The 110 pages scroll contains 700 magical formulas and folk remedies meant to cure afflictions ranging from crocodile bite to toenail pain and to rid the house of such pests as flies, rats, and scorpions.
The papyrus contains chapters on intestinal disease, helminthiasis, ophthalmology, dermatology, gynaecology, obstetrics, pregnancy diagnosis, contraception, dentistry, and the surgical treatment of abscesses, tumours, fractures and burns. The ancient Egyptians say that a depressed skull fracture looked like a puncture in a pottery jar.
It also includes a surprisingly accurate description of the circulatory system, noting the existence of blood vessels throughout the body and the hearts function as a centre of the blood supply. It also refers to birth control, diabetes mellitus, trachoma, hookworm and filariasis, as well as forms of arthritis.
The papyrus also contains a short section on psychiatry. It describes a condition of severe despondency that is equivalent to our modern definition of depression.
Some believe the papyrus to be a copy of the even more ancient books of Thoth (3000BC), reputed father of medicine, pharmacy and alchemy. It is now in the University of Leipzig library.
If there's anyone who knows how to alleviate the pain of a corneal ulcer, please let me know. I'll gladly take a hefty dosage of percoset if need be. Until then, I'll continue with the treatment my opthamologist has prescribed.
[Blunderov] That sounds pretty dire. There are two pain circuits in the brain; the 'slow' system and the 'fast' system. The slow system, which evolved first, is amenable to opiates. The fast system can be addressed with various other chemicals.
I hope it's not the optic nerve that is affected. Anyone who has ever had arc-eye will know how excruciating that can be. Possibly an anti-inflammatory would offer some relief? But I'm sure your man knows these things.
In view of the fact that his current regimen doesn't seem to be helping you much, perhaps you could actually try acupuncture? I'd be curious to know if it helps.
Best regards
Casey Sent: 20 May 2005 01:46
If there's anyone who knows how to alleviate the pain of a corneal ulcer, please let me know. I'll gladly take a hefty dosage of percoset if need be. Until then, I'll continue with the treatment my opthamologist has prescribed.
...first, stop pouring cocaine into your eyesockets...and then go buy some morphine. if that doesnt work try scotch? good to see you back in action dear case=)
If there's anyone who knows how to alleviate the pain of a corneal ulcer, please let me know. I'll gladly take a hefty dosage of percoset if need be. Until then, I'll continue with the treatment my opthamologist has prescribed.
Blunderov, thanks for the information. The medicine I've been given is Moxafloxacin; an anti infective drug for opthamilic use. It's doing the job, but the persistent itching of the eye, where the corneal ulcer has occurred reminds me of a grain of sand that's found it's way in the eye. The throbbing pain that was initially present is no longer a problem; hasn't been for a few days now. But, I'll admit it hurt like a motherf*cker when the blasted corneal ulcer first developed. In the meanwhile, I'll continue the course of treatment as outlined by my opthamologist; who happens to specialize in corneal-related problems. I've got a follow-up appointment (4th visit in a week) on Monday, howver, I'll likely not find out the long-term effects until several weeks from now; which is the usual length of time for one of these things to heal.
And, Sebby, I've given your suggestion some thought and for the time being, I'll refrain. Thanks anyway.
"....on a lighter note: i would wager that those guys you see from time to time training themselves to withstand hard direct kicks to the bollocks are a recent phenomenon. while impressive, i somehow do not find it very inspirational. sometimes when you win, you really lose."
Yep, like my friend, 17 years Karate training from the age of 7 who reacted to a late night drunken slur by coming to his senses, eyes to the pavement finding an unknown face bleeding profusely with fingers clawed 2mm from his neck. That night they both lost, and my mate gave up his training as 17 years of learning to defend himself still hadn't taught the young man how to step back and discern b4 reacting. He's spent the last 11 years trying to unlearn the twitch and turn mechanism.
> Engaging in a group awareness excecises, like improv training, or possibly transcendental meditation, can release endorphins and suppress pain. > > With enough practice, a person can sustain the effects outside of the group. > > My chiropractor can sometimes cure headaches and sinus pressure where decongestants and anti-inflammatories have failed. > > If it's legal in your area, marijuana is a great pain reliever. > > Don't use opiates or addictive things like codine. They suck
agree with all the above - i am currently perscribed an unhealthy dosage of co-codamol , it really sucks
as for pain management , try this :
visualise your pain as a " display " - a clock , dial guage - whatever you feel at home with and willfully turn the setting down , only one graduation at a time . its not an over night cure , and takes lots of practice
at first mood music and laying on the bed in the dark etc is a big help to get you fully relaxed
it was hard at first and i nearly gave up - but now after almost 6 months i can turn my pain down by one notch almost ANYWHERE just by sitting still and listening to ANY music on my walkman
in the saftey and comfort of home - i can ussually skip at least 2 dose of tablets every day - 3 on a good day , just by doing this technique
hope this helps
YRS - APE
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