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David Lucifer
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Chat: climate change
« on: 2004-08-13 18:57:25 » |
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The next chat will be on the topic of climate change. Could someone post some good links for both sides of the issue? Thanks in advance.
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RE: virus: Re:Chat: climate change
« Reply #2 on: 2004-08-14 13:35:50 » |
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rhinoceros
Sent: 14 August 2004 16:17
[rhinoceros]
Here is an URL with lots of links on global warming.
http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/gwnews.html
There is also a related discussion going on in the BBS here:
http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=30738
I'll get back here when I have more.
[Blunderov] It may be that the reasons for the global warming, and whether
we can do anything about it, are largely academic. I have read elsewhere
that this polarity reversal may occur, if it does, as soon as two to three
hundred years from now.
Best Regards
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,837058,00.html
Sun's rays to roast Earth as poles flip
Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday November 10, 2002
The Observer
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The effects could be catastrophic. Powerful radiation bursts, which normally
never touch the atmosphere, would heat up its upper layers, triggering
climatic disruption. Navigation and communication satellites, Earth's eyes
and ears, would be destroyed and migrating animals left unable to navigate.
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Re:Chat: climate change
« Reply #3 on: 2004-08-15 19:55:55 » |
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Here is one more interesting page about global warming:
http://uspirg.org/uspirg.asp?id2=5235&id3=USPIRG&
Here is another one which takes an interesting (peculiar?) view:
http://adaptordie.info/page.php?instructions=page&page_id=173&nav_id=99
Adapt or Die
Adaptation - not the Kyoto Protocol - is the solution to global warming, say 13 experts in new book
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“Attempts to control the climate through restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions would have little effect on the earth’s climate, but would harm our ability to adapt to climate change by slowing economic growth and diverting resources into inappropriate uses,” says the book’s editor, Kendra Okonski, Director of the Sustainable Development Project at International Policy Network, a London-based NGO.
“To deal with climate change, we should adopt policies that promote human wellbeing both today and in the future,” explains Okonski. “We could do this today by eliminating disease and poverty, developing new technologies, and reducing humanity’s vulnerability to climate change. In contrast, the Kyoto Protocol requires huge expenditures today for negligible benefits in the far future.”
Under the Kyoto Protocol, parties would restrict emissions of carbon dioxide in the hope that this might mitigate global warming. Yet it is increasingly clear that Kyoto has costs with no benefits, and it is unlikely ever to come into force. Signatories are therefore searching for alternatives that will achieve the goals of the UNFCCC, without burdening the world with unnecessary costs.
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I have posted some objections to this view as well as some other stuff in the Science and Technology section of the BBS:
http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=30738
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Re:Chat: climate change
« Reply #4 on: 2004-08-16 07:28:00 » |
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I am just adding this source for the climate change discussion in the #virus IRC channel on Thursday.
Man-made climate change:Facts and fiction
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0403083
The full paper is in a PDF there.
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Re:Chat: climate change
« Reply #5 on: 2004-08-16 08:06:02 » |
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More on global warming sources: Given the interests involved, Wikipedia has made an interesting attempt to categorize environment-related sites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
The categories of sites include:
- Educational
- Scientific
- United Nations
- Environmentalist
- Conservative-affiliated
- Industry-sponsored
- Independent (or receives too little support to constitute "sponsorship")
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Re:Chat: climate change
« Reply #7 on: 2004-08-17 14:37:35 » |
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Here's an article I was just reading about cosmic ray fluctuation influencing more than man-made factors - http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996270
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