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« Reply #1 on: 2004-08-09 03:44:32 »		 Reply with quote
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Sent: 08 August 2004 00:44

[Blunderov] 17th century Germany regarded coffee in much the same way as
some modern societies regard the 'erb - a dangerous substance deeply to be
deplored. Interestingly, In Amsterdam establishments that vend ganja to the
eager masses are known as 'Coffee Shops'. (Virians who find themselves in
Amsterdam with some time to kill will not be disappointed at the exemplary
services offered by 'Babas' in the red light district. A combination of
their hash milkshake and cake will ensure that any temporal turbulence is
slowed to a languid crawl.) 

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« Reply #2 on: 2004-08-09 09:32:02 »		 Reply with quote
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Blunderov wrote:

> joedees@bellsouth.net
> Sent: 08 August 2004 00:44
>
> [Blunderov] 17th century Germany regarded coffee in much the same way as
> some modern societies regard the 'erb - a dangerous substance deeply to be
> deplored. Interestingly, In Amsterdam establishments that vend ganja to the
> eager masses are known as 'Coffee Shops'. (Virians who find themselves in
> Amsterdam with some time to kill will not be disappointed at the exemplary
> services offered by 'Babas' in the red light district. A combination of
> their hash milkshake and cake will ensure that any temporal turbulence is
> slowed to a languid crawl.)
>
> Legalize!
>
> >From a web site (http://journale.com/really/coffeecantata
> <snip>
> In Germany, coffee was not accepted in the home until the second half of the
> 18th century. This was due to a mixture of factors: + a long standing
> fondness for local beer, + a general distrust of things considered
> "un-German," + as well as ongoing prohibition, taxes & libel specifically
> directed against coffee.
>
> This trend was reflected in Bach's Coffee Cantata of 1732, a satirical
> operetta which provides a musical insight into some of the prevailing
> attitudes. It tells of the efforts of a stern father to check his daughter's
> propensity for coffee-drinking by threatening to make her choose between a
> husband and coffee. Unperturbed, the daughter sings an aria which begins,
> "Ah, how Sweet coffee tastes - lovelier than a thousand kisses, sweeter far
> than muscatel"
>
> As you go through the cantata, there is conflict. Dad, a good German through
> and through, is perplexed that his dear daughter drinks the hated coffee! He
> insists she stop; she insists she needs the coffee buzz.
>
> What's a father to do? Well, in the cantata he makes a threat: no husband
> until she gives up the java bean! Herein we find a cultural change from the
> US model. In the United States, Lieschen would have grabbed her coffee maker
> and her can of coffee and eloped. But in Bach's Germany, the father found
> the husband and arranged a marriage. And no maiden wanted to become an old
> maid! Thus Lieschen agrees to forego coffee for a husband. But while dady
> goes searching for the beau, Lieschen makes it clear she will not marry any
> man that would refuse her coffee.
>
> At the end of the cantata, Bach speaks of the generational aspects of
> coffee. If mother and grandmother drank coffee, who is going to stop the
> daughters from drinking? </snip>
>
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RE: virus: Bach's Coffee Cantata
« Reply #3 on: 2004-08-19 04:14:41 »		 Reply with quote
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Sent: 08 August 2004 00:44

Bach's Coffee Cantata BWV 211
Libretto by Christian Friedrich Henrici
Composed for perfomance by Bach's Collegium at Zimmerman's
Coffee House, Leipzig, between 1732 & 1734

[Blunderov] I have unearthed what I think is a rather rare vinyl recording
of the Coffee Cantata, together with the Peasant Cantata.

It is a German recording made in Berlin in August 1960 on the Electrola
label with Lisa Otto (soprano), Josef Traxel (tenor) and Dietrich
Fischer-Dieskau (baritone). The orchestra is the Berlin Philharmonic under
the baton of Karl Forster.

The closest reference that I can find on the net

http://www.bach-cantatas.com/BWV211.htm

is an EMI recording from 1963 featuring all of the above plus some Telemann.
Very possibly the recording that I have was included with an additional
Telemann performance in this issue.

Anyway, I am transcribing the vinyl to CD and if any Virian is sufficiently
interested in this recording to pay the postage I would be happy to oblige.

At this point I had better admit that I'm not too sure what the copyright
implications are - I'm operating on the premise that the recording is 45
years old and likely in the public domain. But I don't really know this for
sure. Casey?

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Re:virus: Bach's Coffee Cantata
« Reply #4 on: 2004-08-19 21:18:39 »		 Reply with quote
[Blunderov]
At this point I had better admit that I'm not too sure what the copyright
implications are - I'm operating on the premise that the recording is 45
years old and likely in the public domain. But I don't really know this for
sure. Casey?

[Casey]
This is a good site for information regarding audio copyright laws in the UK and US:

http://www.btinternet.com/~tony.kent/soundrec.htm

It's very easy to read and comprehend.    Hope this helps.

Casey
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