virus: OK, so if war is allowed...
« on: 2004-06-03 12:44:00 »
Should I compete with Joe (i'd like to kill everyone except me) Dees? I can post more than 1 story an hour about how f*cked up current U.S. policy overseas is.
As predicted... our involvment in Iraq will spawn more terrorists. Each bomb we drop, and each bullet-hole in a mosque creates 10 potential terrorists.
On the Arabic satellite channels, it's "all torture, all the time" - wall-to-wall coverage of the photographs, the graphic images flooding into homes across the region.
The situation has not changed in Iraq; only the prison warder is different, " said one report on al-Arabiya.
The news bulletin was playing loudly on a TV in the corner of a café in Cairo's old town. Men looked up from their chess boards and water pipes.
"This is shameful, shameful, shameful," said one, getting nods of agreement. "A soldier urinating on a prisoner, sexual abuse and humiliation, is this human?"
Pictures flashed by of naked bodies piled up on one another and the taunting grin of an American woman soldier. All this is especially upsetting in a culture which prizes dignity, modesty and respect.
The man added: "The United States used to stand for liberty, now it stands for imperialism." One of the waiters said he was ready to go to Iraq to become a martyr, fighting the Americans.
Simul, I DON'T want to kill everyone else but me; this is an ideologically driven slander, and you know it, or should. However, I have no problem with the killing of Al Qaedan jihadis, Baathist dead-enders, imported Shi'ite mullarchs, and any others who are striving to subvert the coming Iraqi democracy by killing Coalition forces and anyone wo works with them in the effort to establish such a democracy. Do you?
I am posting this reply to Simul concerning the article the URL of which he posted, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3683067.stm but will otherwise keep my War on Terror comments to the BBS if others here do.
The Al-Arabiya report on just 'different warders' is a clear propagandistic aping of Ted Kennedy's Senate statement, for which he has been roundly criticized, that the Abu Ghraib torture chambers had simply re-opened under 'new management'.
It is all very well and good for foreign Arabs and Muslims to attampt to draw a moral equivalence between the isolated-to-one-night-and-seven-guards Abu Ghraib abuses and the vicious tortures perpetrated for many years under Saddam there, but those in the know - people who were actually tortured in Saddam's Abu Ghraib - deride the comparison as , and I quote, 'a joke', It is indeed well known that tortures that dwarf these few abuses routinely are perpetrated by Arab and Muslim governments against their own citizens, but no row is raised.
If the US were fighting for imperialism, it would not now be engineering a handover of power to a fledgling Iraqi government and buying Iraqi oil on the spot market like everyone else; it would be consolidatiing an iron control and raping Iraq's natural resources, using coerced Iraqi labor in order to do so, like Britain did in India and elsewhere (now that was REAL imperialism).
We must also remember the Daily Mirror's defence when it published pictures purportedly showing abuse and rape by British and American soldiers; pictures which, in both cases, were shown to be staged, and in one case, were lifted from a porn site. It was (paraphrased), "even if these photos are faked, the abuse is true, and that makes the photos true". This is reminiscent of the Communist penchant for lying in service to a Greater Truth.
Re: virus: OK, so if war is allowed...
« Reply #2 on: 2004-06-03 21:54:49 »
<Joe> I am posting a reply to Simul concerning the article the URL of which he posted,
<Erik> Except I posted it *before* the ban on talking about, and your reply came *after*. This post however, I think is exempt from the rule, however, since it's about the rule itself... not about the war. Am I correct? --- To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/virus-l>
Yes, you are correct, but your attempt at entrapment fails, because I had not read about the fact that Lucifer had ratified the ban before I posted an answer; only that people wished such restrictions to be enforced. This is, of course, an artifact of Hermit's Meridion machinations; as I do not receive emails from the CoV.
I can't find the way to do that; all I see when I go to the Virus home page and check links or contacts is an invitation to the BBS. Can someone clue me in?
Yes, you are correct, but your attempt at entrapment fails, because I had not read about the fact that Lucifer had ratified the ban before I posted an answer; only that people wished such restrictions to be enforced. This is, of course, an artifact of Hermit's Meridion machinations; as I do not receive emails from the CoV.
[Casey] Joe, That doesn't absolve you of breaking the rule. In fact, there was no intent to entrap you. It's clear that you didn't pay attention to the times that the emails were sent to the list. However, that is your fault and no one elses. There are, at least, 2 ways to read what is sent to the email list if I'm not mistaken:
1. Subscribing to the email list via the CoV website. 2. Going to the BBS and reading the Virus 2004 section.
Personally, I'm not subscribed to the email list. I prefer to go directly to the BBS because there I can read the BBS, as well as what has been sent to the CoV email list and the Memetics email list.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
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