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RE: virus: Warning Signals
« Reply #15 on: 2004-05-25 15:48:36 »
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RE: virus: Warning Signals
« Reply #16 on: 2004-05-25 16:03:55 »
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rhinoceros
Sent: 25 May 2004 12:21 AM
[rhinoceros] Back in our own dark days here in Greece, I remember a
friend was searched for "subversive books" when he went to do his
military term and was commented when they found "The Good Soldier Sveik"
by Jaroslav Hasek in his stuff. Hasek would have been happy to include
this story of military intelligence in the book, like a
mirror-in-a-mirror.

Hey, they still sell that book!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0848800982


[Blunderov] Schweik is one of my all time favourites.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/The%20Good%20Soldier%20Schweik

<excerpt>
The Good Soldier Svejk (occasionally, Schweik or Schwejk, and with extended
titles) is a world-famous unfinished novel written by Czech humorist
Jaroslav Haček in the early 1920s.The original Czech title of the work is
Osudy dobrého vojáka ©vejka za svìtové války.

The novel tells a story of the Czech soldier ©vejk, a cheerful idiot who
undermines the Austrian army's war effort with his sloppiness and
simple-mindedness, and exploits every possible situation for his own good.

The novel was never finished, because Haček died in 1923 right in the middle
of his work.

"©vejkovat", "to čvejk" has since become a common Czech word. "©vejking" is
the method for surviving "čvejkárna", which is a situation or institution of
systemic absurdity requiring the employment of "čvejking" for one to survive
and remain untouched by it. </excerpt>
<q>
There was a magnificent legal staff, a mechanism such as is possessed by
every state before its political, economic, and moral collapse.

-Jaroslav Hasek
The Good Soldier: Schweik</q>

[Blunderov] A theme continued magnificently by Joseph Heller in 'Catch 22';

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684833395/102-6479799-9644133
?v=glance

<q>
Yossarian says, "You're talking about winning the war, and I am talking
about winning the war and keeping alive."
"Exactly," Clevinger snapped smugly. "And which do you think is more
important?"
"To whom?" Yossarian shot back. "It doesn't make a damn bit of difference
who wins the war to someone who's dead."
"I can't think of another attitude that could be depended upon to give
greater comfort to the enemy."
"The enemy," retorted Yossarian with weighted precision, "is anybody who's
going to get you killed, no matter which side he's on."</q>

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RE: virus: Warning Signals
« Reply #17 on: 2004-05-25 16:31:37 »
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[Joe Dees]
I'd also like to remark to Rhino that the biases of the writer do not alter the facts of the case; two teachers showed their students the Nick Berg beheading video, and were suspended for doing so.

[rhinoceros]
You are right, and I called this point (showing violence to the students) a legit opinion which can be supported -- with other arguments than the ones used in the full article you posted.

Then I took the liberty to examine the author's arguments.
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Re: virus: Warning Signals
« Reply #18 on: 2004-05-25 16:42:13 »
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...no i havent Erik.  i guess i'll just shutup and support bush then.  sorry
for being such a hypocrite.  and thanks for illustrating the most difficult
part of "UT-ism".

...do you donate time/money to each and every cause you have a position on?

...when people do donate money or time for the first time, was it a random
thought that just popped into their heads an hour earlier?  did they read or
hear or think about somehting for the first time and rush out to contribute
right then and there?



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<Dr. Sebby>
: can be pushed WAY more than we
: imagine, and still they will refuse
: to voice any protest.

<Erik>
So, have you, personally, passed out flyers, picketed, or worn a sandwich
board and rang a bell?

Have you donated to the Kerry campaign or to the DNC?

NOTE: posting to newsgroups and BBS's (preaching to the choir) doesn't
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« Reply #19 on: 2004-05-25 19:55:42 »
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« Reply #20 on: 2004-05-26 04:28:23 »
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...i'll make this brief as possible.  my best 'guess' as to some things that
have happened....

1.  9-11 was known by the bush admin...all they probably knew was that some
planes were going to be hijacked...and maybe knew or guessed they would be
flown into something.  they likely did NOT know how severe the damage would
be.

2.  they knew this was being planned, and allowed it to happen so as to
create the perfect alibi for attacking iraq...a quick and useless
assault/food drop mission on pakistan...and then the REAL objective.

3.  the abu-graib prison fiasco was not an expected event...and very hurtful
to our occupation and thus bush's interests.

4.  berg beheading orchestrated by CIA ops....probably falsified a record
saying they let him out of their custody, in reality just kept him, killed
him (humanely at least) and then made this b.s. video blaming the enemy so
as to swell support not so much for our troops but our very presence there.

5.  this whole iraq situation exists primarily to create a large cash flow
for bush's good ol' boy friends and his own long term family dynasty as well
as those in the 'inner-circle'.  parallel interest might be a born-again
christian revival of the crusades. i personally dont like islam either but
there are better ways of dealing with hornet nests than wading into them
with your fists swinging. there ya go...that's what my best guess is.

...my question to you is; how do you explain all the very odd oddities
regarding the beheading video?  especially the total lack of blood.



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Subject: RE: virus: Warning Signals
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:48:36 -0600

      Sebby, your allusive contention that US black ops killed Nick Berg for
a propaganda video sounds like the tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory moonbattery
crowd, whose single rule is if something bad is done by the US, it must be
actually worse, but if something bad is done by anyone else, it must
actually be the US who did it.  Next you'll be telling us that supersecret
NAS air controllers, under presidential order, commandeered and flew those
planes into the buildings on 9/11

Puh-LEEEZE!  Hatred of a man can justify only so many ludicrous assertions
about a country.

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« Reply #22 on: 2004-05-26 11:07:40 »
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Considering the WTC had been attacked before by the same gang, there'd have to be a pack of fuckwit morons working at the Pentagon for them not to realize that the WTC was on a list of potential targets.

They had time and warning enough to shoot those planes down.

Many people think that the plane destined for D.C. was shot down.  There were some witnesses.

I think that the order to shoot the planes down was deliberately withheld.
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First, read Bruce Sterling's "Distraction", and then read http://electionmethods.org.
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« Reply #23 on: 2004-05-26 11:26:23 »
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<Dr. Sebby>
...do you donate time/money to each and every cause you have a position on?

<Erik>
When someone is calling out others for lack of effort on an issue, it's usually time for them to step up to the plate.
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« Reply #25 on: 2004-05-26 14:41:05 »
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...so as to put an end to such a message?  well done.  the teeming masses
are a group unto themselves.  my voice and efforts are a bit out of place
these days...a 100 yrs or so.  in present day, i'd be burned at the stake if
people knew my true positions...although those positions are extremely
rational, responsible and would result in a much happier and prosperous
life.  but in this world of "caring, christian" individuals who wont even be
an organ donor in the case they die, it is hard to find much support for the
measures i see as wise.  so there is no place for me on the inside without
me having to pretend and lie to remain there unhated.  so for now i prefer
to keep my effect to inspired words.  before you call 'hypocrite' ....just
how many things do you speak for and offer no "tangible" support?  yeah,
that's what i thought.  unless youre a liar, we dont even have time enough
to 'give' to every issue we care about.  so get off my back why dont ya?



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<Dr. Sebby>
...do you donate time/money to each and every cause you have a position on?

<Erik>
When someone is calling out others for lack of effort on an issue, it's
usually time for them to step up to the plate.
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« Reply #26 on: 2004-05-26 15:37:24 »
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: Simul, the 1993 (8 years earlier)
: attack on the WTC was
: masterminded by the blind
: Egyptian cleric Omar Abdul
: Rahman; he and


Joe,

You clearly missed/ignored the context of my post, so I'm not doing to deign to reply.

In that context, my statement remains valid.

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« Reply #27 on: 2004-05-26 17:42:54 »
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Sent: 26 May 2004 10:28 AM

...i'll make this brief as possible.  my best 'guess' as to some things that

have happened....


[Blunderov] I agree with you DrSebby.

Whilst there is no definitive evidence as to who might have produced the
Berg extravaganza, that video is highly suspect. All the events surrounding
it are highly suspicious too. And if one examines (what is known of) the
consistent history of the CIA and black operations it is entirely within the
realms of possibility that they had something to do with it.

It's not impossible, though that it was some freelance outfit. Many
corporate interests are heavily vested in certain outcomes. Some might
conceivably wish to give matters a helping hand where possible. And there is
a powerful meme in American culture of the rebel-hero who steps outside the
rules in order to realize 'true' <wholesome ideal>.

Of course, it may be that some itinerant Islamist group found themselves
with a surplus American corpse on their hands and decided to make the most
capital they could. Waste not, want not.

But in the detective thrillers the ace detective always asks these telling
questions:

Who was the last one to see the victim alive?
Who stood most to gain from the deed?
Are those people in fact the same person?

Things that make you go hmm.
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