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« on: 2004-03-28 22:27:56 »		 Reply with quote

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David,

The books that infected me and changed me forever, as well as many people I know, were those by Daniel Quinn. He has written a
series of four books that shake the foundations of many who read them. In some of them he specifically speaks of memes and Dawkins
and Darwin. The books are Ishmael, Story of B, My Ishmael, and Beyond Civilization. I think they belong on your page as much as
anything on there.

These books are so powerful we have applied to become a 501(c)(3) ( http://www.friendsofishmael.org ) to help spread the virus
through schools and other groups. It's hard to get many of these ideas into schools and also hard to get them in a form even high
schoolers enjoy reading and understand. Quinn has done that. That's probably why Ishmael won the biggest award ever given to a book
(in terms of money).

Not only does Quinn's work itself employ memes, but we employ them in our attempts to increase readership of them. One attempt was
to use a meme targeted at those who hate their jobs to build a site. See http://www.readishmael.com.

We are fascinated with memetics and believe it is a crucial science in order to change minds if humans are going to survive on this
planet for much longer. We simply must wake people up to what is going on and allow reason to take over soon.

Howard Ditkoff
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Re: virus: Fw: Virus Books
« Reply #1 on: 2004-03-29 07:56:12 »		 Reply with quote
Hmm, my top “transformative” booxs include “the art of happiness”, and “fountains of youth”.

I bought 3 copies of Bruce Sterling's “Distraction” for the sole purpose of lending them to dozens of people. 

I'll read Ishmael, though.  Thanks for the tip.




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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:27:56
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From: "Hows" <howhow84@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:37 AM
Subject: Virus Books


David,

The books that infected me and changed me forever, as well as many people I know, were those by Daniel Quinn. He has written a
series of four books that shake the foundations of many who read them. In some of them he specifically speaks of memes and Dawkins
and Darwin. The books are Ishmael, Story of B, My Ishmael, and Beyond Civilization. I think they belong on your page as much as
anything on there.

These books are so powerful we have applied to become a 501(c)(3) ( http://www.friendsofishmael.org ) to help spread the virus
through schools and other groups. It's hard to get many of these ideas into schools and also hard to get them in a form even high
schoolers enjoy reading and understand. Quinn has done that. That's probably why Ishmael won the biggest award ever given to a book
(in terms of money).

Not only does Quinn's work itself employ memes, but we employ them in our attempts to increase readership of them. One attempt was
to use a meme targeted at those who hate their jobs to build a site. See http://www.readishmael.com.

We are fascinated with memetics and believe it is a crucial science in order to change minds if humans are going to survive on this
planet for much longer. We simply must wake people up to what is going on and allow reason to take over soon.

Howard Ditkoff
http://www.systemsthinker.com


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First, read Bruce Sterling's "Distraction", and then read http://electionmethods.org.
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« Reply #2 on: 2004-03-29 13:01:55 »		 Reply with quote

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> Hmm, my top "transformative" booxs include "the art of happiness", and "fountains of youth".
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> I bought 3 copies of Bruce Sterling's "Distraction" for the sole purpose of lending them to dozens of people. 
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> I'll read Ishmael, though.  Thanks for the tip.

I enjoyed "The Story of B">> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553379011/102-6754563-0766552?v=glance
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« Reply #3 on: 2004-04-01 07:38:51 »		 Reply with quote
I read Daniel Quinn's Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit and found it horrible. I tend to agree with Ronald Bailey's review Malthusian Twaddle.

I would still read The Story of B regardless.

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« Reply #5 on: 2004-04-08 06:12:01 »		 Reply with quote
I can vouch for Helprin. His "Memoir from an Ant-Proof case" is superb.

Regards

Jonathan

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David McFadzean" <david@lucifer.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: virus: Fw: Virus Books


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hows" <howhow84@hotmail.com>
> To: <david@lucifer.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:37 AM
> Subject: Virus Books
>
>
> David,
>
> The books that infected me and changed me forever, as well as many people
I know, were those by Daniel Quinn. He has written a
> series of four books that shake the foundations of many who read them. In
some of them he specifically speaks of memes and Dawkins
> and Darwin. The books are Ishmael, Story of B, My Ishmael, and Beyond
Civilization. I think they belong on your page as much as
> anything on there.
>


Have you ever tried reading Mark Helprin's work? He is an amazingly powerful
writer. I doubt he would shake any foundations. After all there is only ONE
Isaac Asimov, *Grin* but he is a very passionate and moving author. A
soldier of the great war and a winters tale are probably his best and most
well known books. A solider of the great war is about (duh) the great war.
Epic tale, love, death, all the classic stuff. A winters tale is more in the
fantastic realm. It is hard to describe his work and if you go off of what
I've said it probably sounds far less attractive than they really are. I
highly recommend them. The interesting thing about him is that he also has
written some political speeches. This worries me. I am not going to judge an
author by their politics, however, when you get someone that has the mastery
over the English language that Mark Helprin possesses it makes for a v.
dangerous weapon.
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« Reply #6 on: 2004-04-08 10:22:25 »		 Reply with quote
“The Art of Happiness”

I like where he talks about various experimental studies by Harvard researchers that link compassion with life expectancy, and the Duke university study that links intimacy with reduced risks of heart attacks.

It's an accurate and potent mixture of psychology, biology and philosophy.

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From: "Jonathan Davis" <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:12:01
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I can vouch for Helprin. His "Memoir from an Ant-Proof case" is superb.

Regards

Jonathan

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Subject: Re: virus: Fw: Virus Books


----- Original Message -----
From: "David McFadzean" <david@lucifer.com>
To: "virus" <virus@lucifer.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: virus: Fw: Virus Books


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hows" <howhow84@hotmail.com>
> To: <david@lucifer.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:37 AM
> Subject: Virus Books
>
>
> David,
>
> The books that infected me and changed me forever, as well as many people
I know, were those by Daniel Quinn. He has written a
> series of four books that shake the foundations of many who read them. In
some of them he specifically speaks of memes and Dawkins
> and Darwin. The books are Ishmael, Story of B, My Ishmael, and Beyond
Civilization. I think they belong on your page as much as
> anything on there.
>


Have you ever tried reading Mark Helprin's work? He is an amazingly powerful
writer. I doubt he would shake any foundations. After all there is only ONE
Isaac Asimov, *Grin* but he is a very passionate and moving author. A
soldier of the great war and a winters tale are probably his best and most
well known books. A solider of the great war is about (duh) the great war.
Epic tale, love, death, all the classic stuff. A winters tale is more in the
fantastic realm. It is hard to describe his work and if you go off of what
I've said it probably sounds far less attractive than they really are. I
highly recommend them. The interesting thing about him is that he also has
written some political speeches. This worries me. I am not going to judge an
author by their politics, however, when you get someone that has the mastery
over the English language that Mark Helprin possesses it makes for a v.
dangerous weapon.
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First, read Bruce Sterling's "Distraction", and then read http://electionmethods.org.
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« Reply #7 on: 2004-04-13 15:23:01 »		 Reply with quote
_Winter's Tale_ is marvelous as well.

--Eva

--- Jonathan Davis <jonathan.davis@lineone.net> wrote:
> I can vouch for Helprin. His "Memoir from an
> Ant-Proof case" is superb.
>
> Regards
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> Jonathan


   
       
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