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RE: virus: Lost in Translation
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[Blunderov] I am completely smitten with this movie! Comments?
Best Regards
Lost in Translation
Yoshio Sato/Focus Features
Scarlett Johansson and Bill Murray's sometimes tender, sometimes funny
relationship is at the heart of "Lost in Translation."
Starring Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson.
Directed by Sofia Coppola.
1 hour, 42 minutes (R)
Grade: A-
The verdict: Lose yourself in this extraordinary movie.
By ELEANOR RINGEL GILLESPIE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Sofia Coppola is definitely her famous father's daughter, but she
definitely doesn't make her father's films. Francis Ford Coppola's
movies tend toward the operatic -- big emotions, big characters, big
stories. Hers have the quality of a tone poem -- fragile, understated,
intimate.
Her astonishing second film, "Lost in Translation," is a wistfully
romantic duet for two lost souls at sea in the neon pandemonium of
Tokyo. Bob Harris (Bill Murray) is a major American movie star in town
to pick up a cool $2 million for sitting in a leather chair, wearing a
tuxedo, holding a glass of Suntory whiskey and uttering the immortal
line, "For relaxing times, it's Suntory time."
These are not relaxing times for Bob. His career is still viable -- he
gets recognized a lot and the fans' enthusiasm is genuine. Yet there's a
sense that his work and his interest in it peaked several years ago. He
has a family, but his 25-year-old marriage no longer holds his interest
either. His wife, represented by an exasperated voice on the phone, is
more concerned with redecorating her husband's study than she is in her
husband. She FedEx's carpet samples to him with the affectionate note,
"I like the burgundy. What do you think?"
Plus, Bob can't sleep.
So he spends time in the chicly dark rooftop bar in his sleekly
impersonal hotel. That's where he meets Charlotte (Scarlett Johansson).
She can't sleep either.
Charlotte is in Tokyo with her husband of two years, John (Giovanni
Ribisi), a celebrity photographer who's getting a little too comfortable
(for her) with the aimless chitchat and air-kiss energy of his subjects.
She's no longer sure whom she married. Neither is Bob. He's at one end
of that bewilderment and she's at the other, both sleepless yet
sleepwalking through life.
They wake each other up.
What follows is a non-affair to remember, which maintains a delicate
balance between friends, lovers and something ineffably greater than
either. They are made for each other in a million ways, with sex being
one of the lesser ones (though that tension is ever-present).
Their relationship -- sometimes tender, sometimes hilarious -- is the
heart and soul of the movie. Still, many of the film's funniest scenes
show them interacting with others. Murray's attempts to follow the
directions barked at him in Japanese by a Suntory photographer is a
comic masterpiece. He mimics various Rat Pack members, mining the subtle
differences between Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and even Joey Bishop
(whom his hosts have never heard of).
Meanwhile, Charlotte endures the weirdness of John's übershallow
conversations with an essence-of-L.A. starlet (Anna Faris) who's
overseas on a promotional tour for her new movie.
These close encounters with kiss-ups and idiots, plus the raucous
cacophony of the city, are a jarring contrast to the whispered yet
trenchant connection between Bob and Charlotte. The movie seems paced to
Murray's famous deadpan, stronger on atmosphere and character than it is
on story. Rather than moving in a straightforward manner, it's full of
odd side trips: Bob at a strip club, saying thank you to a
contortionist's inner thighs as he leaves (she's standing on her head);
Charlotte soaking up the arcane and adrenalized artistry of a Tokyo
games arcade.
This is Johansson's breakthrough role. She's been sensational in movies
like "Ghost World" and "The Man Who Wasn't There," but here we discover
her distinctiveness -- her still-evolving creamy beauty and her
clear-eyed simplicity. There's a freshness in her uncluttered approach
to acting.
Still, the movie belongs to Murray. Coppola wrote the role for him and
spent five months talking him into doing it. The patented smart-aleck
persona that made him a box-office megastar in movies like
"Ghostbusters" and "Caddyshack" has acquired the patina of middle age.
The supreme ironist now recognizes the innate irony of youthful
cynicism. He can still do more with a raised eyebrow than anyone since
Groucho Marx, but he's mellower and sometimes slightly poignant. He's
gentle with Charlotte, even courtly. In a sense, he's an emblem of a
generation of middle-aged anti-establishment hipsters, grown older and
somehow, almost in spite of itself, wiser.
This is a great performance, worthy not only of an Oscar nomination but,
at this point in the year, of the prize itself.
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RE: virus: Lost in Translation
« Reply #1 on: 2004-03-20 08:01:23 » |
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[Blunderov] I am completely smitten with this movie! Comments?
Best Regards
Lost in Translation
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[rhinoceros]
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RE: virus: Lost in Translation
« Reply #2 on: 2004-03-20 09:35:34 » |
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....it was a pretty film in many ways, but having lived in tokyo for 2 yrs,
i cannot understate how painfully boring the two characters were in their
exploration of all that is tokyo. two people so uninspired to experience
the vastness of the tokyo cultural landscape sort of made it hard for me to
endow them with any sort of character depth. as a result, i found them
quite pitiful and hard to lead me to any land of mystery. but if you havent
been there, perhaps it would be a nice visiit. my opinion of tokyo: it
makes NY look like what it is, and it makes all other cultural meccas look
painfully unnecessary.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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Subject: RE: virus: Lost in Translation
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:47:28 +0200
[Blunderov] I am completely smitten with this movie! Comments?
Best Regards
Lost in Translation
Yoshio Sato/Focus Features
Scarlett Johansson and Bill Murray's sometimes tender, sometimes funny
relationship is at the heart of "Lost in Translation."
Starring Bill Murray and Scarlett Johansson.
Directed by Sofia Coppola.
1 hour, 42 minutes (R)
Grade: A-
The verdict: Lose yourself in this extraordinary movie.
By ELEANOR RINGEL GILLESPIE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Sofia Coppola is definitely her famous father's daughter, but she
definitely doesn't make her father's films. Francis Ford Coppola's
movies tend toward the operatic -- big emotions, big characters, big
stories. Hers have the quality of a tone poem -- fragile, understated,
intimate.
Her astonishing second film, "Lost in Translation," is a wistfully
romantic duet for two lost souls at sea in the neon pandemonium of
Tokyo. Bob Harris (Bill Murray) is a major American movie star in town
to pick up a cool $2 million for sitting in a leather chair, wearing a
tuxedo, holding a glass of Suntory whiskey and uttering the immortal
line, "For relaxing times, it's Suntory time."
These are not relaxing times for Bob. His career is still viable -- he
gets recognized a lot and the fans' enthusiasm is genuine. Yet there's a
sense that his work and his interest in it peaked several years ago. He
has a family, but his 25-year-old marriage no longer holds his interest
either. His wife, represented by an exasperated voice on the phone, is
more concerned with redecorating her husband's study than she is in her
husband. She FedEx's carpet samples to him with the affectionate note,
"I like the burgundy. What do you think?"
Plus, Bob can't sleep.
So he spends time in the chicly dark rooftop bar in his sleekly
impersonal hotel. That's where he meets Charlotte (Scarlett Johansson).
She can't sleep either.
Charlotte is in Tokyo with her husband of two years, John (Giovanni
Ribisi), a celebrity photographer who's getting a little too comfortable
(for her) with the aimless chitchat and air-kiss energy of his subjects.
She's no longer sure whom she married. Neither is Bob. He's at one end
of that bewilderment and she's at the other, both sleepless yet
sleepwalking through life.
They wake each other up.
What follows is a non-affair to remember, which maintains a delicate
balance between friends, lovers and something ineffably greater than
either. They are made for each other in a million ways, with sex being
one of the lesser ones (though that tension is ever-present).
Their relationship -- sometimes tender, sometimes hilarious -- is the
heart and soul of the movie. Still, many of the film's funniest scenes
show them interacting with others. Murray's attempts to follow the
directions barked at him in Japanese by a Suntory photographer is a
comic masterpiece. He mimics various Rat Pack members, mining the subtle
differences between Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and even Joey Bishop
(whom his hosts have never heard of).
Meanwhile, Charlotte endures the weirdness of John's übershallow
conversations with an essence-of-L.A. starlet (Anna Faris) who's
overseas on a promotional tour for her new movie.
These close encounters with kiss-ups and idiots, plus the raucous
cacophony of the city, are a jarring contrast to the whispered yet
trenchant connection between Bob and Charlotte. The movie seems paced to
Murray's famous deadpan, stronger on atmosphere and character than it is
on story. Rather than moving in a straightforward manner, it's full of
odd side trips: Bob at a strip club, saying thank you to a
contortionist's inner thighs as he leaves (she's standing on her head);
Charlotte soaking up the arcane and adrenalized artistry of a Tokyo
games arcade.
This is Johansson's breakthrough role. She's been sensational in movies
like "Ghost World" and "The Man Who Wasn't There," but here we discover
her distinctiveness -- her still-evolving creamy beauty and her
clear-eyed simplicity. There's a freshness in her uncluttered approach
to acting.
Still, the movie belongs to Murray. Coppola wrote the role for him and
spent five months talking him into doing it. The patented smart-aleck
persona that made him a box-office megastar in movies like
"Ghostbusters" and "Caddyshack" has acquired the patina of middle age.
The supreme ironist now recognizes the innate irony of youthful
cynicism. He can still do more with a raised eyebrow than anyone since
Groucho Marx, but he's mellower and sometimes slightly poignant. He's
gentle with Charlotte, even courtly. In a sense, he's an emblem of a
generation of middle-aged anti-establishment hipsters, grown older and
somehow, almost in spite of itself, wiser.
This is a great performance, worthy not only of an Oscar nomination but,
at this point in the year, of the prize itself.
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RE: virus: Lost in Translation
« Reply #3 on: 2004-03-20 15:50:08 » |
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Dr Sebby
Sent: 20 March 2004 04:36 PM
....it was a pretty film in many ways, but having lived in tokyo for 2
yrs,
i cannot understate how painfully boring the two characters were in
their
exploration of all that is tokyo. two people so uninspired to
experience
the vastness of the tokyo cultural landscape sort of made it hard for me
to
endow them with any sort of character depth. as a result, i found them
quite pitiful and hard to lead me to any land of mystery. but if you
havent
been there, perhaps it would be a nice visiit. my opinion of tokyo: it
makes NY look like what it is, and it makes all other cultural meccas
look
painfully unnecessary.
[Blunderov]
While I take your point, it seems to me the two characters, Charlotte
and Bob, were trapped in circumstances that that made them feel
strangers to their own lives and Tokyo made this painfully clear to both
of them.
I envy you your two years there.
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RE: virus: Lost in Translation
« Reply #4 on: 2004-03-21 03:57:37 » |
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...and yet they did little besides comply with their supposed fates. both
characters would prefer to sit in the hotel bar and look out the window and
wonder why and how life was passing them by. it was akin a story of two
frightened and useless americans devoting their efforts to concentrated
whining and self-pity and then each others sad story instead of actually
living life and doing shit.
DrSebby.
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Subject: RE: virus: Lost in Translation
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:50:08 +0200
Dr Sebby
Sent: 20 March 2004 04:36 PM
....it was a pretty film in many ways, but having lived in tokyo for 2
yrs,
i cannot understate how painfully boring the two characters were in
their
exploration of all that is tokyo. two people so uninspired to
experience
the vastness of the tokyo cultural landscape sort of made it hard for me
to
endow them with any sort of character depth. as a result, i found them
quite pitiful and hard to lead me to any land of mystery. but if you
havent
been there, perhaps it would be a nice visiit. my opinion of tokyo: it
makes NY look like what it is, and it makes all other cultural meccas
look
painfully unnecessary.
[Blunderov]
While I take your point, it seems to me the two characters, Charlotte
and Bob, were trapped in circumstances that that made them feel
strangers to their own lives and Tokyo made this painfully clear to both
of them.
I envy you your two years there.
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RE: virus: Lost in Translation
« Reply #5 on: 2004-03-21 05:19:03 » |
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Dr Sebby
Sent: 21 March 2004 10:58 AM
...and yet they did little besides comply with their supposed fates.
both
characters would prefer to sit in the hotel bar and look out the window
and
wonder why and how life was passing them by. it was akin a story of two
frightened and useless americans devoting their efforts to concentrated
whining and self-pity and then each others sad story instead of actually
living life and doing shit.
[Blunderov] Perhaps this is the moral of the story? In any case, I
thought it was a very well crafted movie and very funny too.
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Re: virus: Lost in Translation
« Reply #6 on: 2004-03-26 06:26:45 » |
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My wife and I decided to quit going to movies and spending $25 a pop on admission and popcorn and drinks about two years ago.
We're now reaping the financial rewards by watching them on our cable company's "In Demand" section. They're $3.95 and we don't have to
buy $1.65/gallon gasoline to get to the movie OR Blockbuster(or take them back on time--just Tivo them).
The popcorn and drinks at home are damn near free.
Anyhoo, what this is getting to is a reply to rhino's post about "Lost in Translation". Just saw it. Loved it.
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> [Blunderov] I am completely smitten with this movie! Comments?
> Best Regards
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> Lost in Translation
> <snip>
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> [rhinoceros]
> Alas, these things do not belong to reality, so let me pretend that I only got a giggle out of "lock and loll" and "lip my stockings."
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RE: virus: Lost in Translation
« Reply #7 on: 2004-03-26 09:32:22 » |
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I have loved Scarlett Johansson ever since I saw her in The Man Who Wasn't
There. My buddy gave me the DIVx of the movie before it was released here
and I sort of regret watching it on my laptop, as those lovely Tokyo
cityscapes are probably most effective in a cinema.
Incidentally, if anyone does want the DIVx you can get the bit torrent from
here: http://isohunt.com/download.php?mode=bt&id=2145064
By the way Walter, your webcam persists with a picture of a human hand. Can
I see a picture of your paw some?*
Regards
Jonathan
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Subject: Re: virus: Lost in Translation
My wife and I decided to quit going to movies and spending $25 a pop on
admission and popcorn and drinks about two years ago.
We're now reaping the financial rewards by watching them on our cable
company's "In Demand" section. They're $3.95 and we don't have to buy
$1.65/gallon gasoline to get to the movie OR Blockbuster(or take them back
on time--just Tivo them).
The popcorn and drinks at home are damn near free.
Anyhoo, what this is getting to is a reply to rhino's post about "Lost in
Translation". Just saw it. Loved it.
Walter
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Re: virus: Lost in Translation
« Reply #8 on: 2004-03-26 18:04:32 » |
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--- Walter Watts <wlwatts@cox.net> wrote:
> Anyhoo, what this is getting to is a reply to
> rhino's post about "Lost in Translation". Just saw
> it. Loved it.
Rented it last night. Not terrifically impressed.
Watching two people be aimless, disconnected, lonely,
and bored in the middle of Tokyo was not as
entertaining as going to the local sushi restaurant
with my friends. Cheaper though. That toy train
setup with the sushi going by is diabolical...
--Eva,
who thinks Groundhog Day is a far more profound movie,
as well as being funnier
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RE: virus: Lost in Translation and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
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I enjoyed "Lost in Translation" very much. The main focus of the movie finds the viewer
watching two very different people, in very different places in their respective lives, finding one another and beginning a wonderful, if short-lived, relationship in a country that is foreign to them, as well. Throughout the movie the viewer is offered fresh, crisp scenery brought to us by well-done cinematography. Many of the scenes throughout brought wonder and amazement to my eyes. I saw glimpses of Tokyo that I haven't seen before. The character development was excellent. Watching Bill Murray languishing in the middle of a business trip, only to have Ms. Johannsen's coax the energy out of him was, to put it simply, a spectacle to behold. It's not a typical scenario, by any means. Not often enough does this happen in real life, nor is it done with such perfection as it is in this movie. Sofia Coppola has done a wonderful job of bringing together two very good actors and letting them work their magic. It's well-worth the visit to the cinema, or your local video store for renting.
As a side note: I recently saw "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" and enjoyed it, too!
I'd recommend all of you to see this movie, based on a Charlie Kaufman screenplay (the same fellow who wrote the screenplay for "Being John Malkovich"). This movie is not your typical silly humorous flick highlighting Jim Carrey's wild antics; rather, it's in line with his thought provoking role he had in "Truman". To put in it simpler terms, he takes this role and runs with it. Carrey is perfect in his delivery and very refreshing compared to some of his over-the-top roles he's taken up in the past. In this movie he is a regular fellow whose life is just what it seems - plain, simple, and very normal. The supporting cast is excellent. Kate Winslet, Kirsten Dunst, Elijah Wood, Mike Ruffalo and Tom Wilkinson add to the movie in ways that make this a top-shelf production. I highly recommend anyone who has seen and enjoyed "Being John Malkovich" to see this movie; even if you didn't enjoy "Being John Malkovich" you will enjoy this. But, be forewarned, this movie may reduce you to tears; it's that evocative. Enjoy!
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I haven't seen Lost in Translation, but i did see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind. I wouldn't say it was utterly phenomenal, but it was a really good movie, and touching at times, and I would consider buying it when it comes out on video. Kate Winslet's character in some parts seemed sort of a cliche character, but some of the aspects to her character, such as the hair dyeing and working at a book store, made her seem much more realistic than similar characters in other movies.
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Quote from: Rhysenn on 2004-03-27 10:13:41
I haven't seen Lost in Translation, but i did see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind. I wouldn't say it was utterly phenomenal, but it was a really good movie, and touching at times, and I would consider buying it when it comes out on video. Kate Winslet's character in some parts seemed sort of a cliche character, but some of the aspects to her character, such as the hair dyeing and working at a book store, made her seem much more realistic than similar characters in other movies.
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I know I just hyped "Lost in Translation", but if you do see the movie go in with a clear and open mind to it. Forget the hype. Forget the Oscars. Forget all of what you've read about it. I saw it the weekend of it's release without a clue about the movie. And, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I think, in part, because I didn't hear "the hype". So, be that as it may, forget all we've said about the movie and judge it according to you're own unique perspective. 
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« Reply #13 on: 2004-03-27 11:49:43 » |
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I simply walked out somewhere during the middle of the movie...
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RE: virus: Lost in Translation
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Mermaid
Sent: 27 March 2004 06:50 PM
I simply walked out somewhere during the middle of the movie...
[Blunderov] Well, the response has been quite varied, somewhat to my
surprise. But then any serious attempt at art has to be a bit edgy I
suspect. Better to have some hate it and some love it than to have
everyone say it was just OK?
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