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virus: discusion in my country, the netherlands about alternative healing/medicin
« on: 2004-03-16 08:40:02 »
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RE: virus: discusion in my country, the netherlands about alternative healing/medicin
« Reply #1 on: 2004-03-16 11:27:35 »
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IMO, the jury's still out on many "alternative medicines".  Ultimately
it is a human's right to choose lunacy of any kind, and any other human
who helps provide is, while perhaps immoral, probably not a criminal. 

(Unless, of course, you consider street drugs alternative medicine, in
which case the provider _is_ a criminal in our lunatic country (USA).)

The person in your case example has as much access to information as
anyone else, unless she was mentally incapacitated in some way.  As much
as governments would like to make us think they could keep us from being
idiots, it's really not their place.  This, of course, is a matter of
much political debate.

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Re: virus: discusion in my country, the netherlands about alternative healing/medicin
« Reply #2 on: 2004-03-16 12:15:48 »
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You asked if we had the same stupidity here in the great USA.

One word.

Benny Hinn

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Uisge Beata wrote:

> This morning I read the post from Walter. So I thought being pretty new
> around here and becouse I did not join becouse of the political discusion I
> could probabely try to start a new discusion. Well actualy it is not a new
> discusion it's an old one but been brought up through the fact that some
> dutch commedy star called Sylvia Millecam and a famous dutch "medium"(healer
> trough divine powers)calling herselves Jomanda were involved. The story in
> short is as follows.
>
> In 2000 breastcancer was diagnosed in miss Millecam by a regular docter, the
> cancar was in an easely to treat state so the docter wanted to start
> treating her.  She was of course devistated but did not realy belived it so
> she went to a alternative docter with normal medical training and
> alternative(homeopatic) training. Using the alternative methods only, this
> "docter" concluded that it was no cancer but some bacterial infection. Then
> miss millecam also whent to Jomanda the divine healer and to about 8 other
> alternative healers. Most of them told her it was not cancer and treated her
> for a bacterial infaction with homeopathic medicin or with the help of the
> spirrit world, two of them told her that it could have been cancer but they
> new the cure(injection and eating of high concentration of salt). Miss
> millecam belived the alternetive methods worked and that normal medicin
> would only make here more sick so she refused that supported by the
> alternetive people. But ofcourse she died two years after she was diagnosed
> with a little tumor which at that stage could be more easaly cured than a
> common cold(withs is not curable ofcourse but you get my drift)
>
> This all would not bring up as big a discusion weren't it for our national
> health council. They written a big report about this case and now are trying
> to get the alternetive "doctors" and Jomanda procecuted. This brought up a
> big row in which even the minister of health had a part in rightfully saying
> homeopathic medicin was as useful as plain water or maybe even les useful
> becouse of the use of deminaralized water. Half the country whas angry at
> him for saying this.
>
> But the real discusion is ofcourse whose reponsible? The alternative doctors
> saying she had nothing to worry about knowing that scientific methods proved
> other and saying normal medicin would make her sick. Or miss millecam
> herselves in trusting alternative medicin above scientific proven standart
> method???
> I, for my selve am not sure at all about the question if the alternative
> healers are guilty to her death though I think the juge will sentence them
> for jail or fine. What do you think about this?
>
> This thing brought up some shocking other fact at my university a lot(20%)
> of biology, pharmacology and medicin students admited using homeopatic
> medicin themselves, knowing what they are and how living things and
> chemestry works...
> So even pretty inteligent and enlightend people can belive in rubbish. How
> is this in other countries or in you're socialgroup?
>
> U.Beata
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Re: virus: discusion in my country, the netherlands about alternative healing/medicin
« Reply #3 on: 2004-03-16 13:37:52 »
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Western medicine attacks the symptoms and attempts to isolate causes.  Eastern medicine attempts to nurture the whole person, and scoffs at thinking about “causes” in such a linear sense. 

I say “western and eastern” even though those terms are outdated - for lack of a better term.

Both ways of thinking are needed, both have a long history of producing medicines and regimens of varying effectiveness.

Western researchers would benefit by learning more about holistic interactions, long term effects and subtle thinking.

Eastern healers would benefit by doing some serious research studies and tossing out the stuff that doesn't work.
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