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« on: 2004-02-22 05:35:08 »
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Thanks to limbic, for the link:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994700

Humans are hardwired to feel others' pain

Humans are hardwired to feel empathy, suggests a new imaging study showing that certain pain-processing regions of the brain light up when a loved-one is hurt.

But no one actually "feels" the physical pain of the ones they love. The UK researchers suggest that empathy is the result of our brain running a virtual simulation that represents only part of the other person's experience.

"That' s probably why empathy doesn't feel like pain in your hand," says Tania Singer, a neuroscientist at the University College London, who led the study. "It feels like when you anticipate your own pain. Your heart races, your emotions are engaged. It's like a smaller copy of the overall experience."

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[Mermaid] If empathy is a virian virtue, doesnt this(assuming the 'study' is valid) necessarily mean that emotional attachment to others is required? Does emotionalism really go well with reason and rationality?

I also found the related links an interesting read.

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Of course, all three are ..well..DOH..obvious...

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« Reply #1 on: 2004-02-22 14:17:43 »
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Empathy is logically related to not being a hypocrite.

Emotions are useful information. People who ignore them are typically covering up deeper inauthenticites and hypocricy.
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First, read Bruce Sterling's "Distraction", and then read http://electionmethods.org.
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« Reply #2 on: 2004-02-23 11:20:11 »
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« Reply #3 on: 2004-02-23 13:44:54 »
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I think that empathy (as in the Virtue) and the emotional involvement it
suggests is a detached sort of emotion, equally applicable to all.
Perhaps in considering rationality and reason as companions to empathy,
we can conceptualize it as an even-handed interest in the human
condition.  (or non-human, depending on your interests)  Only when
empathy is applied without objectivity is there a risk of emotional
irrationality.

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« Reply #4 on: 2004-02-23 15:21:38 »
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Yes.  It is a detachment, not from the emotional information, but from the emotional “feeling”.
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« Reply #5 on: 2004-02-24 18:42:40 »
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"The Feeling of What Happens" by Antonio Damasio is also a great read.

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David Mullen wrote:

> I agree with Erik though a severe impairment in emotional capacity
> extends beyond hypocrisy into the realm of the markedly handicapped.
> Antonio Damasio has described in considerable detail the profound life
> dysfunction experienced by someone who is incapable of experiencing
> day to day fluctuations in affect due to damage to the orbito-frontal
> cortex (see Decartes Error by A. Damasio).  They cannot plan, they
> cannot prioritize activity and eventually require others to structure
> their lives for them.  Obviously excessive emotionality or "affective
> incontinence" is not adaptive but an inability to feel emotion in some
> respects resembles the kind of morbidity observed in the presence of
> an inability to feel pain.  DM
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> >>> erik@zoneedit.com 2/22/2004 12:17:43 PM >>>
> Empathy is logically related to not being a hypocrite.
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> Emotions are useful information. People who ignore them are typically
> covering up deeper inauthenticites and hypocricy.
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« Reply #7 on: 2004-02-26 05:37:09 »
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I strongly recommend the new book "Mind Wide Open" by Steven Johnson. He was
the chap who wrote "Emergence", which is also superb.

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"The Feeling of What Happens" by Antonio Damasio is also a great read.

Walter
 
 


David Mullen wrote:


I agree with Erik though a severe impairment in emotional capacity extends
beyond hypocrisy into the realm of the markedly handicapped.  Antonio
Damasio has described in considerable detail the profound life dysfunction
experienced by someone who is incapable of experiencing day to day
fluctuations in affect due to damage to the orbito-frontal cortex (see
Decartes Error by A. Damasio).  They cannot plan, they cannot prioritize
activity and eventually require others to structure their lives for them.
Obviously excessive emotionality or "affective incontinence" is not adaptive
but an inability to feel emotion in some respects resembles the kind of
morbidity observed in the presence of an inability to feel pain.  DM

>>> erik@zoneedit.com 2/22/2004 12:17:43 PM >>>

Empathy is logically related to not being a hypocrite.

Emotions are useful information. People who ignore them are typically
covering up deeper inauthenticites and hypocricy.
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