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« on: 2004-01-20 02:41:07 » |
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[Not long ago Alcor put up many years of Cryonics magazines on their web
site. For a few years, late 80s, early 90s I wrote a column every month
for Cryonics. Here is one of them from August, 1991. It doesn't say
anything that has not been discussed dozens of times, but I thought you
might be amused by how it is said and how long people have been thinking
about some of these problems.]
Future Tech:
The Rights of Sentient Beings
by H. Keith Henson
In this article I am acting as an advocate for a class of underdogs
that doesn't exist yet. Indeed, this is a class of beings which Eric
Drexler argues -- rather persuasively -- that we would be better off never
creating. On the other hand, Hans Moravec writes, "Why should machines,
millions of times more intelligent, fecund, and industrious than ourselves
exist only to support our ponderous, antique bodies and dim-witted minds in
luxury? Drexler does not hint at the potential lost by keeping our
creations so totally enslaved."
In "Engines of Creation" Eric makes a case for "mechanical" artificial
intelligences, what he calls "engineering AIs." These would be AIs without
human qualities of the "strive for x variety," where x is reproduction,
power, reputation, control of resources, etc. His point is that the
combination of people to provide the drive, and engineering AIs to slog
through the computations and oversee construction details can accomplish
anything which an independent self-directed AI could do. This might or
might not be true, and it is almost certain to be slower, but a self-
directed AI that seriously outclassed us mentally -- and was bent on
exterminating humanity -- is not a thought to dwell on before bedtime!
My approach to the subject of "social artificial intelligence," AIs
with personalities and human-like drives, is that in the long run they are
virtually unavoidable. Either we get such AIs as an outgrowth of research
into how to make minds, or we get them from people who keep their human
drives while upgrading their hardware. Research on human minds would be
greatly retarded if it were not permitted to simulate (i.e., build) minds in
computers. I think there is little disagreement that we need to understand
ourselves better. And once we have the ability to make improvements in our
minds, it would be a bad mistake not to do so in a world where we cannot
control what others are doing to improve themselves.
Although I believe social AIs to be inevitable, caution in developing
them certainly is in order. Note, however, that because of competition,
caution may require making progress as rapidly as we can. In any case,
staying on good terms with our creations, offspring, or augmented versions
seems like a very good idea. The future is quite scary enough without
creating conditions for a war of liberation by oppressed AIs.
A firm foundation for the ethical treatment of sentient beings,
regardless of origin, would seem to be in order. This is not an entirely
new enterprise. Human-to-human relations lie at the root of law, morals,
and ethics. Workable empirical methods such as the Golden Rule have
emerged, as well as memes of racial tolerance and the metameme of
tolerance. In addition, we have landmark studies of which "The Evolution
of Cooperation," Axelrod's study of the Tit for Tat strategy in the
Prisoners' Dilemma game, is perhaps the most important to date.
Thankfully, we have some time to work on these ethical problems before
they become acute. We don't have sentient machines yet, but as sure as
memory gets cheaper we will. To the extent that sentient machines depend
on hardware with a human-brain level of processing power, we can make a
good guess at when this will happen. Hans Moravec in "Mind Children"
predicts it will happen in the "early part" of the next century. By that
timetable, it will be of concern to many people alive today. (And
successful cryonicists.)
Current processing capacity of even the most powerful computers is in
the milli-brain area. Moravec roughly equates our best efforts to date
between a cockroach and a mouse in raw processing power. Eventually a "one
human brain" power computer will come within the purchasing power of a
national government. If the current trends hold, 15-20 years later the
same capacity machine will be your personal computer. It might sit on your
desk, though it is just about as likely to be worn like a suit of clothes
or to be built into your dwelling. It could be grown into your body, or
follow you around like a pet. A "one human brainpower" computer can by
definition contain a human mind (when we figure out how to do a readout on
one).
Full blown nanotechnology makes even more complex ethical issues
certain to emerge. Besides downloaded minds, we could have duplicate
copies of people, artificial personalities (APs), if different from
intelligences, special-purpose computer personalities created for some
project, partly or completely independent fragments of minds, and computers
which identify themselves with buildings or machines. This is only a small
part of the list of entities we could be interacting with in the future.
Some cases are small increments compared to the situation under discussion
here, and the ethical considerations are relatively obvious; but others
require bigger jumps to analyze.
In the case of duplicate copies of people, there would be little
argument as to the "humanity" of a copy. (There might be stringent
penalties against making duplicates, but it seems it would be very hard for
law or custom to deny human rights to a human just because there were
another copy of that human in existence.)
A case almost as clear would be that of a human who uploaded into more
powerful hardware. If s/he uploaded into implanted computers (lots of
empty space in a human skull) it would be hard to tell an augmented person
from someone not modified, at least physically. If this step were
accepted, it is not likely uploading into mobile robots would be seen as
different enough to justify loss of human rights to someone who did it.
Uploading into non-mobile hardware would not seem to be a sufficient reason
to deny human rights either; quadriplegics in that unfortunate state are
no less human. Besides, a person who could afford really spiffy hardware
would likely have lawyers (or lawyer subroutines). In either case, you
would want to take care of the meat body, lest you get charged with
littering.
De novo artificial personalities may be constructed as research
projects or as outgrowths of commercial projects, or as I mentioned last
column, as "offspring" combining the "best" personality traits of other
people. By analogy (which is the best we have to go on), human rights come
into existence over time -- with binary jumps at birth and an age where the
individual is assumed to be "independently responsible." The time it might
take for a collection of hardware and software to become independent is not
related to the normal maturation of humans -- it could be either shorter or
longer -- so other criteria (a test? posting a bond?) might be more
appropriate. Until that time the sponsoring organization or person would
be responsible. (Its 11 o'clock in the morning -- do you know what your
mental offspring is doing?)
Extension of "parental" responsibility concepts, perhaps combined with
warrantee concepts, could provide a legal matrix for new computer-based
personalities and intelligences. There has already been talk in the Usenet
group "comp.risks" of making the computers themselves legally liable in
some instances. Robots, computers, and AI/APs, have long been topics of
science fiction novels, dating back to Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics
(clearly designed to keep robots slaves forever). One seemingly workable
way to extend legal rights and responsibilities to AI/APs which first
showed up in science fiction is to make corporations out of them. The
concept of an "artificial person" is already well rooted in corporation and
business law.
Extending rights to AIs will take either legislation or a lot of test
cases. Will it be considered murder to pull the plug on an AI? Or would
it be considered assault? (I would consider it assault if there were no
damage done and the AI could be restarted.) How about erasing a backup
copy of an AI's memory and personality? Would this differ from erasing the
only copy in existence? How about a copy of the information needed to make
a copy of a person? What should be the policy in making changes to the
personality of an AI? Would the same policy apply to making changes in a
human in the course of making a copy? As you can see, these concerns
rapidly approach the concerns of cryonicists.
I am not among those who think that somehow nanotechnology will solve
all our problems. I expect very advanced technology to solve most of our
current problems, while introducing new ones of amazing variety and
seriousness. This is not a new situation. Consider the problems facing us
today, and those which average people faced a thousand years ago. Can you
imagine trying to explain the S&L crisis to someone of that time? How
about the ozone hole? A computer virus? These are real problems for
today, just as civil rights for sentient machines will be on the list of
tomorrow's concerns.
Next time I might consider the dangers of getting lost in Middle Earth.
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Re: virus: Old stuff for fun
« Reply #1 on: 2004-01-20 18:17:49 » |
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Some sober thoughts concerning nanotechnology:
http://smalley.rice.edu/rick%27s%20publications/SA285-76.pdf
Keith Henson wrote:
> Full blown nanotechnology makes even more complex ethical issues
> certain to emerge. Besides downloaded minds, we could have duplicate
> copies of people, artificial personalities (APs), if different from
> intelligences, special-purpose computer personalities created for some
> project, partly or completely independent fragments of minds, and computers
> which identify themselves with buildings or machines. This is only a small
> part of the list of entities we could be interacting with in the future.
> Some cases are small increments compared to the situation under discussion
> here, and the ethical considerations are relatively obvious; but others
> require bigger jumps to analyze.
>
>
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Re: virus: Old stuff for fun
« Reply #2 on: 2004-04-14 18:48:16 » |
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...this is an interesting essay on nanotech reality, Walter. is there
anyone that can make a reasonable claim to the contrary?(supporting the
plausability of a self-replicating nanobot?)
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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Some sober thoughts concerning nanotechnology:
http://smalley.rice.edu/rick%27s%20publications/SA285-76.pdf
Keith Henson wrote:
> Full blown nanotechnology makes even more complex ethical issues
> certain to emerge. Besides downloaded minds, we could have duplicate
> copies of people, artificial personalities (APs), if different from
> intelligences, special-purpose computer personalities created for some
> project, partly or completely independent fragments of minds, and
computers
> which identify themselves with buildings or machines. This is only a
small
> part of the list of entities we could be interacting with in the future.
> Some cases are small increments compared to the situation under
discussion
> here, and the ethical considerations are relatively obvious; but others
> require bigger jumps to analyze.
>
>
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« Reply #3 on: 2004-04-14 23:09:06 » |
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I can't, but I can offer the nanonuts some wanking material:
http://www.walterwatts.com/images/nanomotor2.jpg
Walter
Dr Sebby wrote:
> ...this is an interesting essay on nanotech reality, Walter. is there
> anyone that can make a reasonable claim to the contrary?(supporting the
> plausability of a self-replicating nanobot?)
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Walter Watts <wlwatts@cox.net>
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: Old stuff for fun
> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:17:49 -0600
>
> Some sober thoughts concerning nanotechnology:
>
> http://smalley.rice.edu/rick%27s%20publications/SA285-76.pdf
>
> Keith Henson wrote:
>
> > Full blown nanotechnology makes even more complex ethical issues
> > certain to emerge. Besides downloaded minds, we could have duplicate
> > copies of people, artificial personalities (APs), if different from
> > intelligences, special-purpose computer personalities created for some
> > project, partly or completely independent fragments of minds, and
> computers
> > which identify themselves with buildings or machines. This is only a
> small
> > part of the list of entities we could be interacting with in the future.
> > Some cases are small increments compared to the situation under
> discussion
> > here, and the ethical considerations are relatively obvious; but others
> > require bigger jumps to analyze.
> >
> >
>
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> Walter Watts
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« Reply #4 on: 2004-04-15 18:44:39 » |
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> I can't, but I can offer the nanonuts some wanking material:
>
> http://www.walterwatts.com/images/nanomotor2.jpg
This reminds me of a theory I've had on nanotechnology for a while:
In order to really be feasable, actual nanomachines couldn't be built to put
molecules together in the obvious way, they'd have to be based off of
proteins and the delicate processes that occur in living organisms. Which
would require being able to arbitrarily contrive a protein, which when
folded could do all the things you wanted it to. I certainly think that such
sorts of things are possible, but our understanding of how these things work
is so limited right now...
But, were we able to contrive of proteins which could work on parts of
molecules, we do know how to replicate protiens en masse, and moreover, it
would be possible to make an array of mixtures of these to turn raw material
into some intermediate substance, which could be passed into a next batch
which would modify it some more, and so on, ultimately producing a potato,
or a car, or something along those lines :]
Which is an idea, but a less conventional one. I'm guessing that
nanomachines are possible, but they are far away, and probably won't be like
what a lot of people expect.
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Re: virus: Old stuff for fun
« Reply #5 on: 2004-04-15 22:58:56 » |
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Biotech *is* the most advanced nanotech.
Which is why I'm not terribly interested in nanotech.
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