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Re: virus: Re:What's your law?
« Reply #30 on: 2004-01-28 19:20:36 » |
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--- Jei <jei@cc.hut.fi> wrote:
> Btw, a quick poll:
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> What purpose do you think the universe serves, if
> any?
Uh...it's a good place to keep all our stuff?
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Re: virus: Re:What's your law?
« Reply #31 on: 2004-01-28 21:22:45 » |
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...Jei's law is flawed since by definition a "pessimist" expects the
"worst"...therefore even if results meet expectations ..they have already
been defined by the person himself as the "worst" case. assuming that the
words "bad" or "worst" havent changed definitions for this person; they can
never be very happy since they are convinced that something bad is just
around the corner.
...consider Jei's law negated and no more.
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----Original Message Follows----
From: Jei <jei@cc.hut.fi>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Re:What's your law?
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:58:30 +0200 (EET)
Well, here's mine, let's call it Jei's Law:
The people who do best in life are absolute pessimists. -
They never fail to achieve at least their own worst nightmares
and thus experience only over-achievement and pure success.
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, David McFadzean wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mermaid"
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:08 AM
>
> > The Law of the Game (or Lucifer's First Law)
> > Those who are doing best in life are playing it like a game.
> >
> > [Mermaid]this is vague to me. it begs the question of what 'best in
life' really means...apparently, one is a winner if one
> decides that he has won and when he will win the game. its like playing
poker with oneself?
>
> [Lucifer] It is the nature of concise laws to be vague.
> The point is to explore the consequences given the
> tentative assumption that the law is true.
>
> > [Mermaid]On the other hand, if we are to assume that all of us are
playing the same "game of life", what are the rules of the
> game? If you really think about it, people who want to play the same
games form groups and play against each other. e.g. All the
> employees of a corporation play a game within the confined by the
corporate rules.
>
> [Lucifer] The game of life consists of all the games you are in,
> consciously or unconsciously. I suspect most games are participated
> in unconciously in which case you are more like a pawn than a player.
>
> > [Mermaid]If I can alter Lucifer's First Law, I would say that those who
do best in life are those who play the game after they
> pick their team and opponents well.
>
> [Lucifer] Of course you may alter it, but then you have to give it
> a new name. Your variation is now Mermaid's Law.
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Re: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #32 on: 2004-01-28 22:02:31 » |
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...i see potential for a fun game in this. lets see what varying equations
we can come up with to generate some sort of "Happiness Index". stupid
example below:
yrs of university/g.p.a + IQ(number of sex partners/number of diseases) -
health insurance policy deductable(value of last years xmas presents
received) * taxable income average for best 5yr period = X
...if we put some thought into this, perhaps we could come up with some
interesting results..and maybe even some insight.
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From: Jei <jei@cc.hut.fi>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: What's your law?
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:44:44 +0200 (EET)
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, David McFadzean wrote:
> > And the final score is measured in American dollars
> > that you managed to spend during your lifetime?
>
> I would be interested to know how you came to that strange conclusion.
It seems to me that it is the general consensus of a measure for success.
Or actually, now that we think about it, rather it is how much you are
currently worth in dollars. - I think it is the way how society largely
(~90% of people at least) measures and defines success if they are asked
to do it.
I think personal satisfaction and happiness are a more accurate measure,
but as it is more difficult to ask it from individuals, personal wealth
is a good substitute and more easy to estimate without verbal contact.
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Re: virus: Re:What's your law?
« Reply #33 on: 2004-01-28 22:03:40 » |
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...it's dark and cold...but lacks the interesting bubbly effect of coca
cola.
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Subject: Re: virus: Re:What's your law?
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:20:36 -0800 (PST)
--- Jei <jei@cc.hut.fi> wrote:
> Btw, a quick poll:
>
> What purpose do you think the universe serves, if
> any?
Uh...it's a good place to keep all our stuff?
--Eva
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Re: virus: Re:What's your law?
« Reply #34 on: 2004-01-28 22:32:31 » |
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The universe is actually a powerful computer running a massive simulation, using a genetic algorithm designed to answer the question, “What is the purpose of the universe?”
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Re: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #36 on: 2004-01-29 04:29:20 » |
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Now you are really cooking, Sebby. The nice big piles of warm steamy brown
stuff flourish in the CoV meadows again. I bet we can think of more
variables to add to this.
About happiness and all, this is where I have to diverge somewhat from this
"life is a game" self-help attitude. That's nice to think about, but I
somehow suspect that people are generally either hardwired for happiness or
not. I think that there are some people that are just genetically happy
and will always find a way to be happy regardless of how crappy things get
for them, and generally when things go well, they become rich and famous
etc., for them it doesn't really change their self concept that much
because they were already happy to begin with.
These happy exceptions are probably not as genetically fit IMO. I suspect
that people for whom happiness is more elusive are much more likely to
reproduce in some (probably delusional) hopes of reaching that great
happiness through their children that has otherwise eluded themselves
throughout their own lives. Whether or not we individually fall for this
reproductive strategy, I would imagine that most people reading this right
now are not the happy exceptions; probably dreaming of how to get to "wow",
possibly okay, possibly not. Aside from momentary thrills, occasional
philosophical moments, and perhaps drug induced euphoria, profound
happiness remains elusive, and uneasiness comes more naturally. I think
that's the way that mother nature keeps things running. Mamma may say that
she only wants you to be happy, but really she just wants grandchildren.
We may yet engineer a way out of this conundrum, but currently I think that
this is largely the default that humanity faces, no matter the self-help
strategies, game playing metaphors or the lack thereof. Just my 3.14 cents.
Love,
-Jake
(joke below)
> [Original Message]
> From: Dr Sebby <drsebby@hotmail.com>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 01/28/2004 7:02:31 PM
> Subject: Re: virus: What's your law?
>
> ...i see potential for a fun game in this. lets see what varying
equations
> we can come up with to generate some sort of "Happiness Index". stupid
> example below:
>
> yrs of university/g.p.a + IQ(number of sex partners/number of diseases) -
> health insurance policy deductable(value of last years xmas presents
> received) * taxable income average for best 5yr period = X
>
> ...if we put some thought into this, perhaps we could come up with some
> interesting results..and maybe even some insight.
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Jei <jei@cc.hut.fi>
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: What's your law?
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:44:44 +0200 (EET)
>
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, David McFadzean wrote:
>
> > > And the final score is measured in American dollars
> > > that you managed to spend during your lifetime?
> >
> > I would be interested to know how you came to that strange conclusion.
>
> It seems to me that it is the general consensus of a measure for success.
> Or actually, now that we think about it, rather it is how much you are
> currently worth in dollars. - I think it is the way how society largely
> (~90% of people at least) measures and defines success if they are asked
> to do it.
>
> I think personal satisfaction and happiness are a more accurate measure,
> but as it is more difficult to ask it from individuals, personal wealth
> is a good substitute and more easy to estimate without verbal contact.
>
>
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Re: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #37 on: 2004-01-29 03:11:19 » |
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--- Dr Sebby <drsebby@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...i see potential for a fun game in this. lets see
> what varying equations
> we can come up with to generate some sort of
> "Happiness Index". stupid
> example below:
>
> yrs of university/g.p.a + IQ(number of sex
> partners/number of diseases) -
> health insurance policy deductable(value of last
> years xmas presents
> received) * taxable income average for best 5yr
> period = X
I realize you explicitly characterized this as a
"stupid example", but my obliging nature and my
arithmetic are stymied by the necessity of dividing by
zero.
--Eva
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Re: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #38 on: 2004-01-29 03:46:23 » |
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...right...divide by 1 + # of diseases then -=) hahaha
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From: Eva-Lise Carlstrom <evalise@yahoo.com>
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To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: What's your law?
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:11:19 -0800 (PST)
--- Dr Sebby <drsebby@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...i see potential for a fun game in this. lets see
> what varying equations
> we can come up with to generate some sort of
> "Happiness Index". stupid
> example below:
>
> yrs of university/g.p.a + IQ(number of sex
> partners/number of diseases) -
> health insurance policy deductable(value of last
> years xmas presents
> received) * taxable income average for best 5yr
> period = X
I realize you explicitly characterized this as a
"stupid example", but my obliging nature and my
arithmetic are stymied by the necessity of dividing by
zero.
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Re: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #39 on: 2004-01-29 04:11:31 » |
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I thought maybe it was her GPA. 
(not!)
-Jake
Quote from: DrSebby on 2004-01-29 03:46:23
...right...divide by 1 + # of diseases then -=) hahaha
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Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: What's your law?
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:11:19 -0800 (PST)
--- Dr Sebby <drsebby@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...i see potential for a fun game in this. lets see
> what varying equations
> we can come up with to generate some sort of
> "Happiness Index". stupid
> example below:
>
> yrs of university/g.p.a + IQ(number of sex
> partners/number of diseases) -
> health insurance policy deductable(value of last
> years xmas presents
> received) * taxable income average for best 5yr
> period = X
I realize you explicitly characterized this as a
"stupid example", but my obliging nature and my
arithmetic are stymied by the necessity of dividing by
zero.
--Eva
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Re: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #40 on: 2004-01-29 09:51:59 » |
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I highly reccomend reading “The Art of Happiness”.
It's a very intelligent work, combining experimental research with philosophy.
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RE: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #41 on: 2004-01-29 11:48:36 » |
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[Jake] That's nice to think about, but I somehow suspect that people are
generally either hardwired for happiness or not. I think that there are
some people that are just genetically happy and will always find a way
to be happy regardless of how crappy things get for them, and generally
when things go well, they become rich and famous etc., for them it
doesn't really change their self concept that much because they were
already happy to begin with.
These happy exceptions are probably not as genetically fit IMO. I
suspect that people for whom happiness is more elusive are much more
likely to reproduce in some (probably delusional) hopes of reaching that
great happiness through their children that has otherwise eluded
themselves throughout their own lives. Whether or not we individually
fall for this reproductive strategy, I would imagine that most people
reading this right now are not the happy exceptions; probably dreaming
of how to get to "wow", possibly okay, possibly not. Aside from
momentary thrills, occasional philosophical moments, and perhaps drug
induced euphoria, profound happiness remains elusive, and uneasiness
comes more naturally. I think that's the way that mother nature keeps
things running. Mamma may say that she only wants you to be happy, but
really she just wants grandchildren.
[Michelle] Interesting point, Jake. I consider myself to be hard-wired
for happiness and have often wondered if perhaps it was a handicap,
because I don't feel any huge drive or ambition... I feel no need to
change my life (often) because I am happy no matter what. Similarly, I
am not very picky about much of anything (cuz I'm always happy anyway),
and therefore am a bad-or-odd cook, because I like everything. I used to
have a hard time knowing in hindsight if I was in love because I felt
like I could love anyone, everyone has something fascinating to offer
(that has changed as I've aged and become a LITTLE more persnickety).
Also I have a hard time being passionate about politics or points of
view because I know that everything is relative and "you never know what
you know" - I am content to think in abstractions and remain unaffected
by the outcome.
The upside is that I can be with very picky people, because they always
get their way (it matters not to me). And it makes me a very good
teacher because I am extremely patient and pleased with any progress, no
matter how small. But I do not plan to have children because I am happy
with or without, and the pain of the process (not to mention fitting it
in before I get too old) seems unnecessary to my life. So you're
probably right. I'm more likely to be happy enough without going
through all the bother...*
BUT, for my mother/grandparents/etc their happiness meter was
supplemented with religious uplift and they couldn't wait to share their
love of life with babies and grandchildren. They felt like they
overflowed with love and happiness and the grace of god and had a duty
to share with offspring and bring more happy baptists into the world...
seems like an ideal balance to me, from the motivation-to-breed
standpoint...
Hmph.
*However, since I am happy however things are, I was fine to go through
shots and hormonal crazyness for egg donation procedures and therefore
passed my genes along. I think most cranky people couldn't deal with
the daily pain in the ass/side/belly/ovaries of the whole rigamarole...
Unfit? Me? *sniff*
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RE: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #42 on: 2004-01-29 12:10:13 » |
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I find it interesting that you're dividing by the GPA to begin with, but
having spent nearly four gruelling years at this university, I'm not
disposed to disagree with you ;]
You need to also factor in the number of toys, games, and high-tech gadgets
as well, because everybody loves to be a corporate whore. Seeing as how the
one who dies with the most toys wins, after all.
Take care :]
-Calvin
> I thought maybe it was her GPA.
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> (not!)
>
> -Jake
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Re: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #43 on: 2004-01-29 13:13:56 » |
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I'm pretty sure it's meme's, not genes, that indicate happiness.
Identical twin studies find that creativity and satisfaction are not strongly correlated with geneology.
Sports ability and certain intelligence tests, however, are.
Again, I reccomend the book, “The Art of Happiness”
It is an art, not a hard-wired ability.
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Re: virus: What's your law?
« Reply #44 on: 2004-01-29 18:14:40 » |
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Fortunately not. Actually, I just got my revised
grades today and have a cumulative grad-school GPA of
3.8. Of course, such statistics do not get my
Master's project completed....
--Eva,
about to get off the 'net and pretend she has a
deadline tomorrow, since she seems to respond better
to scheduled demands than open work opportunities
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> I thought maybe it was her GPA.
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> (not!)
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