Actually, what this probably means is that Bush wants more
Death Star satellites orbiting the planet. I hear the maser
satellites are getting quite advanced, and having the ability
to fry anybody on this planet, anytime, anywhere, is quite cool.
It also supports and coincides with the conquest of the planet
that seems to be the Bush team's stated goal.

Moon and Mars colonization are just the means to sell the
space militarization and it's astronomical costs to the public,
the same as it was with liberating Iraq from terror and wmd.

So, I wouldn't bet so much on seeing people on the moon, as
seeing killer satellites beaming and frying people down on Earth.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Mermaid wrote:

>
> [quote from: DrSebby on 2004-01-10 at 01:11:22]
> ...if bush could somehow push some financing towards such a moon venture, i
> would see it as a much deserved albeit out of place gesture of humanity
> before he is banished from office.
>
> [Mermaid]you think? here ya go....bush *does* seems to have the idea to colonise the moon...
>
> imo, it seems like yet another election promise..like the one about legalising all hispanic illegal immigrants. but then again, bush might have genuine interest in claiming the moon and the red planet for J.C.
>
> Bush Plans Missions to the Moon, Mars
>
> By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer
>
> CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - President Bush (news - web sites) is planning a
> permanent science base for astronauts on the moon that could serve as a
> steppingstone for sending humans ultimately on to Mars, according to
> senior administration officials.
>
> The president wants to aggressively reinvigorate the space program,
> still reeling from the Columbia tragedy nearly one year ago, said the
> officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.
>
> White House press secretary Scott McClellan confirmed that Bush would
> deliver a speech Wednesday describing his vision of the long-term
> direction of the space program, but he did not reveal what Bush would
> say.
>
> "The president is strongly committed to the exploration of space,"
> McClellan said Friday.
>
> A major question is how to pay for an expensive space initiative while
> the nation is struggling with record budget deficits and the high costs
> of the war against terrorism.
>
> McClellan said that the White House budget office was involved in the
> administration's space review, and that Bush will "put forth a
> responsible budget that meets our highest priorities while working to
> hold the line of spending elsewhere in the budget."
>
> A Nobel-winning physicist who investigated the shuttle accident is among
> those who would rather see more affordable robots — rather than
> astronauts — exploring the lunar and Martian surfaces. He points to NASA
> (news - web sites)'s Spirit rover newly arrived at Mars.
>
> "The cost of a manned enclave on the moon, I think, is going to make the
> space station look cheap. That's the only good thing about it," said
> Stanford University's Douglas Osheroff.
>
> In any event, "I think we're still 30 years from going to Mars and if
> there's any reason to do that, I don't know," Osheroff said.
>
> NASA officials did not return phone calls.
>
> Bush does not intend to propose sending Americans to Mars anytime soon,
> but instead envisions preparing for a Mars expedition more than a decade
> from now, one administration official said.
>
> The White House has been looking for a new revitalizing role for NASA
> for months, with Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) leading
> the interagency task force since summer. The speculation over a major
> space initiative began heating up in early December.
>
> Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas, a member of the House Science Committee,
> welcomed the news that Bush would be making an announcement about space.
>
> Hall said he has long been trying to get the president more interested
> in space exploration. The president never went to Johnson Space Center
> in Houston while serving as Texas governor; in fact, last February's
> memorial service for the seven Columbia astronauts was his first visit.
>
> Bush's fresh interest in space happens to coincide with an election
> year. A new bold space initiative, it is thought, could excite
> Americans.
>
> "I had the feeling the last 2 1/2 years people would rather make a trip
> to the grocery store than a trip to the moon because of the economy,"
> Hall said. "As things are turning around, we need to stay in touch with
> space" and the science spinoffs it provides.
>
> It was the Columbia accident that helped force a discussion of where
> NASA should venture beyond the three remaining space shuttles and the
> international space station. The panel that investigated the disaster
> called for a clearly defined long-term mission — a national vision for
> space that has been missing for three decades.
>
> Astronauts last walked on the moon in 1972; in all, 12 men tread the
> lunar surface over a 3 1/2-year period. This time, the president favors
> a permanent station, administration officials said.
>
> Bush's father, on the 20th anniversary of the first manned moon landing,
> made a similar call for lunar colonies and a Mars expedition. But the
> plan was prohibitively expensive — an estimated $400 billion to $500
> billion — and went nowhere.
>
> No one knows what the new venture might cost or how NASA would pay for
> it.
>
> House Science Committee spokeswoman Heidi Tringe said lawmakers on the
> panel had yet to be briefed on the specifics.
>
> Earlier this week, Bush put in a congratulatory call to officials in
> charge of NASA's latest Mars rover. He called the Spirit rover's
> successful landing a "reconfirmation of the American spirit of
> exploration." Another rover is due to arrive at the red planet in two
> weeks.
>
> Many space buffs see the moon as a necessary place to test the equipment
> and techniques that would be needed by astronauts on Mars. It's closer,
> just three days away versus six months away for the red planet.
>
> Visionaries say observatories could be built on the moon and mining
> camps could gather helium-3 for conversion into fuel for use back on
> Earth.
>
> Others, however, contend that astronauts should make a beeline to Mars.
>
> Still others, including John Glenn, the first American to orbit the
> Earth, believes the nation should complete and fully maximize the
> international space station before dashing anywhere else.
>
> ___
>
> Associated Press writer Scott Lindlaw contributed to this story from
> Washington.
>
> link:
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040109/ap_on_go_pr_wh/back_to_the_moon_4
>
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>>Actually, what this probably means is that Bush wants more
>>Death Star satellites orbiting the planet. I hear the maser
>>satellites are getting quite advanced, and having the ability
>>to fry anybody on this planet, anytime, anywhere, is quite cool.
>>It also supports and coincides with the conquest of the planet
>>that seems to be the Bush team's stated goal.
>>
>>Moon and Mars colonization are just the means to sell the
>>space militarization and it's astronomical costs to the public,
>>the same as it was with liberating Iraq from terror and wmd.
>>
>>So, I wouldn't bet so much on seeing people on the moon, as
>>seeing killer satellites beaming and frying people down on Earth.
>>
>>On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Mermaid wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > [quote from: DrSebby on 2004-01-10 at 01:11:22]
>> > ...if bush could somehow push some financing towards such a moon
>> venture, i
>> > would see it as a much deserved albeit out of place gesture of humanity
>> > before he is banished from office.
>> >
>> > [Mermaid]you think? here ya go....bush *does* seems to have the idea
>> to colonise the moon...
>> >
>> > imo, it seems like yet another election promise..like the one about
>> legalising all hispanic illegal immigrants. but then again, bush might
>> have genuine interest in claiming the moon and the red planet for J.C.
>> >
>> > Bush Plans Missions to the Moon, Mars
>> >
>> > By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer
>> >
>> > CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - President Bush (news - web sites) is planning a
>> > permanent science base for astronauts on the moon that could serve as a
>> > steppingstone for sending humans ultimately on to Mars, according to
>> > senior administration officials.
>> >
>> > The president wants to aggressively reinvigorate the space program,
>> > still reeling from the Columbia tragedy nearly one year ago, said the
>> > officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.
>> >
>> > White House press secretary Scott McClellan confirmed that Bush would
>> > deliver a speech Wednesday describing his vision of the long-term
>> > direction of the space program, but he did not reveal what Bush would
>> > say.
>> >
>> > "The president is strongly committed to the exploration of space,"
>> > McClellan said Friday.
>> >
>> > A major question is how to pay for an expensive space initiative while
>> > the nation is struggling with record budget deficits and the high costs
>> > of the war against terrorism.
>> >
>> > McClellan said that the White House budget office was involved in the
>> > administration's space review, and that Bush will "put forth a
>> > responsible budget that meets our highest priorities while working to
>> > hold the line of spending elsewhere in the budget."
>> >
>> > A Nobel-winning physicist who investigated the shuttle accident is among
>> > those who would rather see more affordable robots — rather than
>> > astronauts — exploring the lunar and Martian surfaces. He points to NASA
>> > (news - web sites)'s Spirit rover newly arrived at Mars.
>> >
>> > "The cost of a manned enclave on the moon, I think, is going to make the
>> > space station look cheap. That's the only good thing about it," said
>> > Stanford University's Douglas Osheroff.
>> >
>> > In any event, "I think we're still 30 years from going to Mars and if
>> > there's any reason to do that, I don't know," Osheroff said.
>> >
>> > NASA officials did not return phone calls.
>> >
>> > Bush does not intend to propose sending Americans to Mars anytime soon,
>> > but instead envisions preparing for a Mars expedition more than a decade
>> > from now, one administration official said.
>> >
>> > The White House has been looking for a new revitalizing role for NASA
>> > for months, with Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) leading
>> > the interagency task force since summer. The speculation over a major
>> > space initiative began heating up in early December.
>> >
>> > Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas, a member of the House Science Committee,
>> > welcomed the news that Bush would be making an announcement about space.
>> >
>> > Hall said he has long been trying to get the president more interested
>> > in space exploration. The president never went to Johnson Space Center
>> > in Houston while serving as Texas governor; in fact, last February's
>> > memorial service for the seven Columbia astronauts was his first visit.
>> >
>> > Bush's fresh interest in space happens to coincide with an election
>> > year. A new bold space initiative, it is thought, could excite
>> > Americans.
>> >
>> > "I had the feeling the last 2 1/2 years people would rather make a trip
>> > to the grocery store than a trip to the moon because of the economy,"
>> > Hall said. "As things are turning around, we need to stay in touch with
>> > space" and the science spinoffs it provides.
>> >
>> > It was the Columbia accident that helped force a discussion of where
>> > NASA should venture beyond the three remaining space shuttles and the
>> > international space station. The panel that investigated the disaster
>> > called for a clearly defined long-term mission — a national vision for
>> > space that has been missing for three decades.
>> >
>> > Astronauts last walked on the moon in 1972; in all, 12 men tread the
>> > lunar surface over a 3 1/2-year period. This time, the president favors
>> > a permanent station, administration officials said.
>> >
>> > Bush's father, on the 20th anniversary of the first manned moon landing,
>> > made a similar call for lunar colonies and a Mars expedition. But the
>> > plan was prohibitively expensive — an estimated $400 billion to $500
>> > billion — and went nowhere.
>> >
>> > No one knows what the new venture might cost or how NASA would pay for
>> > it.
>> >
>> > House Science Committee spokeswoman Heidi Tringe said lawmakers on the
>> > panel had yet to be briefed on the specifics.
>> >
>> > Earlier this week, Bush put in a congratulatory call to officials in
>> > charge of NASA's latest Mars rover. He called the Spirit rover's
>> > successful landing a "reconfirmation of the American spirit of
>> > exploration." Another rover is due to arrive at the red planet in two
>> > weeks.
>> >
>> > Many space buffs see the moon as a necessary place to test the equipment
>> > and techniques that would be needed by astronauts on Mars. It's closer,
>> > just three days away versus six months away for the red planet.
>> >
>> > Visionaries say observatories could be built on the moon and mining
>> > camps could gather helium-3 for conversion into fuel for use back on
>> > Earth.
>> >
>> > Others, however, contend that astronauts should make a beeline to Mars.
>> >
>> > Still others, including John Glenn, the first American to orbit the
>> > Earth, believes the nation should complete and fully maximize the
>> > international space station before dashing anywhere else.
>> >
>> > ___
>> >
>> > Associated Press writer Scott Lindlaw contributed to this story from
>> > Washington.
>> >
>> > link:
>> >
>> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040109/ap_on_go_pr_wh/back_to_the_moon_4
>> >
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About terraforming Mars:
It's a nice idea, but I don't think that's the best way to colonize space.
Whenever people think about colonizing space, they think about finding other planets where to live - because we'e used to living on a planet. but the way I see it, there's much more potential in huge space stations. Check http://members.aol.com/oscarcombs/settle.htm