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Higher Estimate For Number Of Parallel Universes
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http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/006664.html
October 28, 2009
Higher Estimate For Number Of Parallel Universes
But can we ever get to them?
HOW many universes are there? Cosmologists Andrei Linde and Vitaly Vanchurin at Stanford University in California calculate that the number dwarfs the 10500 universes postulated in string theory, and raise the provocative notion that the answer may depend on the human brain.
I want to travel between universes far more than I want to travel between stars in this universe. What I'd really like to find: Universes that causally split off from this universe hundreds or thousands of years ago. How did history turn out if a small event caused different decisions 300 years ago? Different people would be born. Accidents would play out differently.
Splitting universes causally much further back would lead to evolution of different species. Might parallel Earths without highly intelligent animals exist? Might such an Earth have lots of species that were driven extinct by humans in this universe? Such a universe would help to settle climate debate questions. Without humans did the Earth fall back into another Ice Age?
By Randall Parker at 2009 October 28 11:12 PM Space Exploration
[Bl.] some comments from the site:
Fly said at October 29, 2009 2:40 PM:
"This is an analog universe and there is no discrete moment definable as an event."
My interpretation...
Reality is discrete. Much as pixels make up a digital image, there are discrete 4 dimensional (3 space and 1 time) volume-time "bricks" that are indivisible units of the universe. As matter and energy are also discrete, a finite volume of space-time has a finite number of possible states. (Just as an idealized digital computer has a very large, but finite number of possible states.) This implies that all measurable values are ultimately discrete and the transitions between discrete states are discontinuous. Since the space-time unit is so small, continuous function approximations give good results.
Unlike the regular rectangular pixels of a digital image, the 4-D "bricks" have a complex geometry that reflects General Relativity. There is also evidence that there aren't really 3 spatial dimensions. Instead space is fractal. Imagine reality as a digital two-dimensional surface that we observe as a 3-D holographic projection of that surface. (Hologram theory associated with LIGO measurements.) The fractal nature becomes apparent at extremely small scales. ("Information conservation" as electromagnetic radiation is captured by a black hole.)
Also note that contrary to our macroscopic intuition, objects don't have unique identities. "Individual" electrons don't exist. Instead there are just wave form peak amplitudes that we track and interpret as specific electrons.
Finally, note that Schrodinger Equations are a continuous deterministic system that appears to closely approximate reality as measured by experiment. At the Schrodinger level there are only wave functions. There are no observations that collapse probabilities into "real" events. There are no multiple universes...just one continuous universe with waveforms that linearly sum. The Born Rule provides a way to map the waveforms to predictions of experimental outcomes.
Now consider classical physics and clouds of gas coalescing to form galaxies. Under the force of gravity, small differences in gas density leads to density clusters that eventually forms stars and galaxies. Stars emit radiation that accelerate gas away from the star, creating gas density waves (especially when a massive star goes super nova). The result is high density galaxies in an expanding universe. Within the galaxies matter and energy strongly interact, but individual galaxies are moving apart and are almost totally independent (with the occasional rare "collision" of nearby galaxies). In a similar manner, in the Schrodinger Equation universe, waveforms interact, clustering at some levels and dispersing at different levels...creating high density "reality peaks" in a vast space consisting primarily of low density waveforms. Much as neighboring galaxies might occasionally collide, nearby "reality peaks" might occasionally interact.
A new theory is needed that modifies the Schrodinger Equation and General Relativity to account for the discrete, fractal nature of energy-space-time. The theory should explain how waveform interactions lead to clustering and dispersion, producing the experimental observations that some scientists interpret as Born probability wave collapse and others interpret as Many Worlds splitting.
Ehkzu said at October 30, 2009 12:25 AM:
Speaking as someone with a BA in Sociology--but who has read Brian Greene's The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time, and the Texture of Reality, which I'd recommend to anyone who'd like a mostly nonmathematical explanation of all this stuff, that'd be a good start.
Some points:
Q. Are there actually multiple universes, or is that just science fiction?
A. Probably no one will ever know for sure. The mathematics of string theory strongly suggest it, but it's also possible that string theory will never be proven--or disproven, because it would involve looking at Planck-scale thingies (like strings), and that would take an atom smasher the size of the Moon. We may get some corroboration from observational astronomy--and so far that's been pretty good. But it's not proof in the way that actual experimental proof would be. This isn't a fault of string theory. We're just bumping up against the edge of what build-able instruments (like the Large Hadron Collider, if it ever works) can show us in terms of how small a scale they can reveal.
However, multiple universes would explain why this universe is so darn friendly to life. It runs on a number of forces whose exact strengths produce a set of Laws of Physics that makes stars, galaxies, planets, and life possible. If any of their strengths differed this wouldn't be true and our universe would be a lightless plasma or some such.
But if there are a bazillion universes out there with arbitrarily varying constants, it's perfectly reasonable to have one like this.
Religious scientists believe the life-supporting character of our universe offers objecting proof of a benevolent deity BTW.
One more thing--each universe, if there are multiple ones, exists on a multidimensional something called a brane, with all the universes/branes existing in some metauniversal space-thingie called the bulk. One possibility, also suggested by string theory, is that the Big Bang was caused by two branes touching, which pushed the big Reset Button in the sky. Theoretical noodlings suggest that this would only happen once in a very, very, very great while, so no need to hide under the coffee table. But if it did happen all the information in this universe would be erased--including us.
Q. So are universes splitting off at every point in time?
A. I don't think that's what string theory posits. More like all at once. Certainly not at decision points, which then means time doesn't need to be divided into quantalike bits.
Q. Wormhole travel?
A. Your mass would remain, but nothing else--in physics terms, information--would be retained. Imagine being pureed at in a lightspeed blender.
Q. Travel between parallel universes?
A. String theory suggests that the only thing not limited to our brane is gravity, which would account for it seeming to be so much weaker than other fundamental forces. If that's true it's just as strong as the other forces but diffused across universes. Other than that, I don't think interuniverse travel is possible, though I'm working on a sci fi novel where it is. But that's what makes it sci fi I suppose. I'm making up for this by not going against what we know about reality in any other way BTW.
Hope this helps. I'm just going off memory of Greene's book that I read several years ago. Consult his book for the real deal.
[Blunderov] From the depths of my particular armchair:
Axiom. The only impossible state of existence is 0.
Corrollary. All possible states exist.
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