| 2011-03-06 11:15:20
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| 11:15:53 | Sat | http://news.discovery.com/space/has-evidence-of-extraterrestrial-life-been-found-110305.html |
| 11:16:10 | Lucifer | the answer is no |
| 11:16:24 | Sat | tbd |
| 11:16:38 | Sat | "Fossilized alien microbes have been discovered in a sample extracted from a meteorite, according to research carried out by a NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center astrobiologist. What's more, he has challenged any scientist to investigate his work." |
| 11:17:01 | Lucifer | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/03/did_scientists_discover_bacter.php |
| 11:17:14 | Sat | lol |
| 11:17:21 | Sat | nonononononno! |
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| 11:35:14 | MoEnzyme | yeah, I've been watching that news on the fossilized microbes in the meteorite. Interesting, but this isn't the first time someone has claimed to find alien microbial fossils in a meteorite. The last time the consensus was inconclusive. |
| 11:35:41 | MoEnzyme | I'm wondering why it will be different this time. |
| 11:37:09 | n00dle | Watch for more "xtian" frenzy: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/03/06/judgment.day.caravan/index.html |
| 11:37:17 | Lucifer | PZ's argument is that if there was good evidence the paper would be published in Science or Nature. Modus tollens, it is likely BS. |
| 11:38:13 | Sat | * Sat nods |
| 11:38:25 | n00dle | ...speaking of BS. ;) |
| 11:39:01 | Sat | Did you see that Network Anaylst job in the paper n00dle? |
| 11:39:01 | MoEnzyme | "Undoubtedly, the NASA researcher might be aiming to prevent this news from being blown out of proportion, like the 1996 discovery of microscopic features resembling fossilized bacteria in the notorious ALH 84001 meteorite sample." --> http://news.discovery.com/space/have-you-heard-the-one-about-life-on-mars.html |
| 11:39:13 | n00dle | I did. |
| 11:40:09 | MoEnzyme | A 13,000 year old meteorite from Mars, found in 1984 in the Allan Hills Region of Antarctica, is back in the news. The rock caused quite a stir when NASA announced during an August 1996 press conference that it contained evidence of past life on Mars. |
| 11:40:16 | MoEnzyme | The first paper in Science described micrometer-sized carbonate deposits, shaped like pancakes, along tiny cracks and crevices in the meteorite, known as ALH84001. Researchers theorized that the carbonates were deposited from carbon dioxide-saturated fluids that were no more than 100 degrees Celsius -- the temperature around which microorganisms on Earth flourish. |
| 11:40:38 | MoEnzyme | They also found nanometer-sized iron sulfide and iron oxide grains (which they theorized were produced by bacteria) and organic compounds known at polyaromatic hydrocarbons, or PHAs, which they suggested were the organic remains of Martian organisms. |
| 11:40:48 | MoEnzyme | The clincher, however, was the discovery of “worm-shaped objects” within the meteorite’s fractures, which scientists proposed were the fossilized remains of the organisms themselves. |
| 11:40:59 | MoEnzyme | The results were controversial from the start and were quickly followed by a flurry of papers that refuted every leg of the argument including the life-friendly temperature of the water; the biological origin of the iron grains; and the prospect that the organic PAHs actually came from Antarctica, not Mars. |
| 11:42:05 | MoEnzyme | "A quiet consensus has emerged that the ALH84001 meteorite contains no evidence of past Martian life," wrote Georgia Tech’s John Bradley. |
| 11:42:10 | Sat | I'd like to see irrefutable proof of extra terrestrial life. |
| 11:42:33 | Sat | It'd be a nice refutation of those anthropocentric religious asshats. |
| 11:42:54 | MoEnzyme | I think it will probably come some day, Sat. Probably in our lives, if you are talking about microbial life. |
| 11:43:07 | Sat | any life |
| 11:43:11 | n00dle | Heh... ok, here's one... take that "Judgement Day" link and filter it through those who think the aliens are responsible for our religious mythologies and come up with the return date for The Mother Ship! :D |
| 11:43:39 | MoEnzyme | The chances are good for that even within our solar system, IMO, but finding the proof will probably take some time. |
| 11:44:25 | Lucifer | I believe irrefutable evidence will come from detecting atmospheric content in extrasolar systems to points to bacterial life |
| 11:44:35 | Lucifer | that^ points |
| 11:45:32 | Sat | well in any case the real nut jobs will just blame Satan. "The Devil Plated that evidence!" |
| 11:45:33 | Sat | lol |
| 11:45:37 | Sat | * Sat grins |
| 11:45:40 | Lucifer | no doubt |
| 11:45:42 | MoEnzyme | I think there are good possibilities for extremophile bacteria in the seas of Europa, but we have to get some good probes under that thick ice sheet first. |
| 11:46:03 | Sat | that almost sounded sexual Mo. |
| 11:46:03 | Lucifer | I don't expect any evidence for et civs in my lifetime |
| 11:46:15 | Sat | * Sat nods |
| 11:46:31 | Sat | given the vastness of things it seems unlikely |
| 11:46:40 | Lucifer | though I do expect we are not alone in the universe |
| 11:46:41 | MoEnzyme | right, I don't think we will find intelligent ET's in our lifetimes. But I think we'll find life. |
| 11:47:04 | Sat | however, maybe we'll get lucky and stumble across some evidence. |
| 11:47:20 | Sat | it does seem hugely improbable, however. |
| 11:47:29 | n00dle | That is, unless the LHC "phones home", ET shows up and smacks the controls out of the hands of the physicists and says "You're doing it wrong." |
| 11:47:33 | Lucifer | possible, yes. probable, no. |
| 11:47:46 | Lucifer | Maybe we'll detect a Dyson sphere |
| 11:47:50 | MoEnzyme | well, evidence like that would probably be a radio transmission. |
| 11:48:32 | MoEnzyme | And it probably wouldn't be directed at us, but rather something ambient within a few hundred light years if at all. |
| 11:49:15 | MoEnzyme | like Hitler's first TV broadcast :) |
| 11:49:29 | Sat | It's unlikely to be directed I assume. I think we might catch a very faint bleed. |
| 11:49:33 | Sat | ya what Mo said |
| 11:49:42 | Lucifer | the aliens saw Hitler and the warships are their way |
| 11:50:14 | Sat | the aliens saw Hitler and their sending thier taylors to meet with ours. |
| 11:50:20 | Sat | tailors? |
| 11:50:24 | Sat | ack. |
| 11:50:28 | MoEnzyme | yeah, unfortunately many such technological leaps like that are first fueled by warfare. |
| 11:50:31 | Sat | * Sat goes to look up the spelling |
| 11:50:49 | Sat | they're |
| 11:50:55 | Sat | * Sat hangs his head in shame |
| 11:51:42 | Sat | Mo everyone knows that the laws of natural selection don't apply to aliens. They're all like benevolent angels. |
| 11:51:43 | MoEnzyme | That's ok Sat, I fuck up "your" and "you're" often even though I know better. Especially in IRC when I'm not editing as much. |
| 11:51:46 | Sat | * Sat snickers |
| 11:53:01 | Sat | I should just pause a nanosecond to proof what I'm writing. |
| 11:53:14 | MoEnzyme | Certainly most of our early voyages into space were militarily inspired to compete with the Soviets. |
| 11:53:57 | Lucifer | I visited the Kennedy Space Center a few days ago |
| 11:54:01 | Sat | I remember reading or seeing a short science fiction story where aliens arrive at earth and hang there in the sky... |
| 11:54:16 | Sat | governments all get together to try to figure out a response |
| 11:54:31 | Sat | the soviets say we should send fighters to attack |
| 11:54:33 | Lucifer | apparently the space program has only the noblest of goals |
| 11:54:53 | Sat | everyone else says, No aliens are benevolent. How could they be anything else... |
| 11:54:59 | Sat | so we don't attack. |
| 11:55:24 | n00dle | ...and consequently get wiped from the face of the earth? |
| 11:55:25 | Sat | and because of that the aliens wipe us out, because we're a failed project to breed warriors. |
| 11:55:26 | Sat | lol |
| 11:55:36 | n00dle | :D |
| 11:55:38 | Lucifer | heh |
| 11:55:41 | MoEnzyme | I'd think if we discovered intelligent ET's within a few hundred light years, we would probably want to just listen for a while first long before we attempt any contact. A few hundred light years would slow us down anyways, so we shouldn't be in a hurry. |
| 11:56:09 | Lucifer | I don't think we would have a choice, Mo |
| 11:57:04 | MoEnzyme | right, even if we started transmission now, it would still take hundreds of years anyway. So we should be careful before making such a time investment anyways, regardless of safety issues. |
| 11:58:24 | Sat | We're likely awsh in subtle FTL communication from alien civs, but are too primative to even recognize it. |
| 11:58:26 | Sat | * Sat chuckles |
| 11:58:32 | MoEnzyme | I would think sending a probe/reciever/transmitter would be the first order of business to strenthen the connection, and that would take thousands of years at least. |
| 11:58:59 | Sat | it'd be ironic to find that much of the white noise out there is actually heavily encrypted data. |
| 11:59:20 | Sat | Lucifer used to recieve transission from alien intelligences. |
| 11:59:22 | MoEnzyme | probably multiple relays should be sent, to better listen and direct the signal back to us. |
| 11:59:23 | Sat | * Sat scoots |
| 11:59:35 | Lucifer | true, I did |
| 11:59:45 | Sat | * Sat channels cthulu |
| 12:00:35 | Lucifer | just like this http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/10kdayslyrics.php#08 |
| 12:00:38 | Sat | when in doubt probe. |
| 12:01:36 | Sat | Cthulu says we don't get the encrption key until we're found worthy. |
| 12:02:28 | Lucifer | that's fair |
| 12:02:29 | Sat | And that it's hidden in pi,phi. |
| 12:02:43 | Lucifer | all encryptions keys are in pi and phi |
| 12:02:48 | Lucifer | * Lucifer scoots |
| 12:02:52 | Sat | * Sat nods |
| 12:03:14 | Lucifer | brb |
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