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RE: virus: Guerilla memetics
« on: 2003-11-02 06:04:12 » |
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'Philosophers have interpreted the world in a number of ways; the thing
is to change it." (Karl Marx)
[Blunderov]
Inspired by Mermaid's recent Virian boot camp initiative and also
freshly revolted by
http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/christ/christ_foa.htm *
I have the following proposal - let's go back to church! But this time
we will all be bearing weapons of mass dissension.
The Achilles heel of Christianity is the very 'flaw of atonement'
discussed in the thread 'Happy Halloween'. If we were to prestidigitate
seditious materials (such as contained the above link) into the Bibles
and hymn-books so freely available in churches it might be possible to
engender a very serious crack in the edifice of Christianity. (Fully 50%
(and more) of the New Testament is directly from the hand of St. Paul
(aka 'The Spouter of Lies'.)**
If the New Testament is discredited... This is a very real fear amongst
those (surprisingly few) Christians who actually know something about
the history of their own religion.
The thought strikes me that such material would be particularly
effective if it was brought to the attention of teenagers, who would be
likely to vector it amongst their peers because of its vivid history. It
would also appeal to the natural rebelliousness of this age group. Hit
the Sunday schools - suffer the little children to come unto us!
AFAIK this would not be illegal. And it would be quite an adventure to
attend a church incognito with subversive intent. (I think they hand out
free cups of tea afterwards in some congregations - and even cake!)
What do y'all think? Or shall we just leave (polite) activism to the
Brights?
Best Regards
* eg
<q>
Catholic extermination camps: Surpisingly few know that Nazi
extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in
Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed
numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their
dictator Ante Paveliç, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the
then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a
Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number
of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their
victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their
victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed,
slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between
300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were
Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce
bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain
about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these
events and did nothing to prevent them.
</q>
** http://www.crosscircle.com/CH_2i.htm
<q>
Christianity has nothing in common with the religion preached by Paul.
The Christianity of Peter exists no more as it was supplanted by Paul’s
version and merged with other world-religions. The ‘Christ’ of Paul is a
sun-god. The antagonism between Peter and Paul is vaguely hinted at in
the Epistle to the Galatians yet on the other hand it is highlighted in
the Clementine Homilies in which Peter unequivocally denies that Paul
ever had a vision of Christ and calls him the enemy. And this antagonism
still exists today if we take a look at St. Paul’s Epistles which
include such provocative sentences as "Such are false Apostles,
deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the Apostles of Christ."
In chapter three of Alvin Boyd Kuhn’s book, "A Rebirth for
Christianity," he writes, "Scholars almost universally agree that the
Christian movement created by the disciples of Jesus would have
disappeared in a generation if St. Paul had not grafted on to it the
essential substance of Greek philosophy. Christianity was in effect
saved from extinction at birth when it incorporated into its Scriptures
the Epistles of St. Paul, which enabled it to rationalize its Messianic
tenets. Later, under the massive pressure of an ignorant population
which flocked into its fold by the third century, the Greek influence
was suppressed.
</q>
[Blunderov]
Admittedly the above site draws religious conclusions from these
historical facts - but the object of the exercise that I have in mind is
to sow dissension.
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RE: virus: Guerilla memetics
« Reply #1 on: 2003-11-02 10:28:03 » |
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At 01:04 PM 02/11/03 +0200, Blunderov wrote:
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>Admittedly the above site draws religious conclusions from these
>historical facts - but the object of the exercise that I have in mind is
>to sow dissension.
Always amusing to do of course, but there is so much dissension in
Christian groups going on all the time, our efforts might be on the scale
of lighting a candle in the middle of a forest fire.
Unless, of course, you can come up with some method to get a lot of "gain"
from your memes.
Keith Henson
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RE: virus: Guerilla memetics
« Reply #2 on: 2003-11-02 11:39:46 » |
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[Blunderov]
The thought strikes me that such material would be particularly
effective if it was brought to the attention of teenagers, who would be
likely to vector it amongst their peers because of its vivid history. It
would also appeal to the natural rebelliousness of this age group. Hit
the Sunday schools - suffer the little children to come unto us!
AFAIK this would not be illegal. And it would be quite an adventure to
attend a church incognito with subversive intent. (I think they hand out
free cups of tea afterwards in some congregations - and even cake!)
What do y'all think? Or shall we just leave (polite) activism to the
Brights?
[Kalkor]
Wheeeeeeee!!!! I think it's a great idea. Some local marijuana legalization
activists are using similar tactics in their latest project:
www.freeweedclub.com "Angry at the law? Got Balls? Join the club!"
Their tactics include leaving cards and flyers wherever you go, like with
your tip at the restaurant or in magazines when you go to the newsstand,
etc...
I think Keith's point about the scope and scale is valid, however. I would
be happily amused to do this once in a while, but in order to make an actual
dent... maybe we need something that spreads itself? Something truly
"viral"?
Sure, you can leave a flyer that makes some teenager question his faith...
but can you make him spread the idea with the same flyer? If we can, then I
think you'll be on to something ;-}
Kalkor
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RE: virus: Guerilla memetics
« Reply #3 on: 2003-11-02 11:58:24 » |
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Keith Henson
> Sent: 02 November 2003 1728
> snip
>
> >Admittedly the above site draws religious conclusions from these
> >historical facts - but the object of the exercise that I have in mind
is
> >to sow dissension.
>
> Always amusing to do of course, but there is so much dissension in
> Christian groups going on all the time, our efforts might be on the
scale
> of lighting a candle in the middle of a forest fire.
>
> Unless, of course, you can come up with some method to get a lot of
"gain"
> from your memes.
>
> Keith Henson
[Blunderov]
Point taken. I was thinking maybe a timely anonymous tip-off to the
press? I have little doubt that they would escalate the scope of the
thing way beyond its actual extent. And further propogate the meme...
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RE: virus: Guerilla memetics
« Reply #4 on: 2003-11-02 14:06:32 » |
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At 06:58 PM 02/11/03 +0200, you wrote:
>Keith Henson
> > Sent: 02 November 2003 1728
>
> > snip
> >
> > >Admittedly the above site draws religious conclusions from these
> > >historical facts - but the object of the exercise that I have in mind
>is
> > >to sow dissension.
> >
> > Always amusing to do of course, but there is so much dissension in
> > Christian groups going on all the time, our efforts might be on the
>scale
> > of lighting a candle in the middle of a forest fire.
> >
> > Unless, of course, you can come up with some method to get a lot of
>"gain"
> > from your memes.
> >
> > Keith Henson
>[Blunderov]
>Point taken. I was thinking maybe a timely anonymous tip-off to the
>press? I have little doubt that they would escalate the scope of the
>thing way beyond its actual extent. And further propogate the meme...
Well, if you really want to have some fun, tip the press that Christian
churches have been infiltrated for years with people who went there with
the intent of sowing descent.
Keith Henson
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RE: virus: Guerilla memetics
« Reply #5 on: 2003-11-02 15:59:14 » |
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Keith Henson
> Sent: 02 November 2003 2107
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: RE: virus: Guerilla memetics
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> At 06:58 PM 02/11/03 +0200, you wrote:
> >Keith Henson
> > > Sent: 02 November 2003 1728
> >
> > > snip
> > >
> > > >Admittedly the above site draws religious conclusions from these
> > > >historical facts - but the object of the exercise that I have in
mind
> >is
> > > >to sow dissension.
> > >
> > > Always amusing to do of course, but there is so much dissension in
> > > Christian groups going on all the time, our efforts might be on
the
> >scale
> > > of lighting a candle in the middle of a forest fire.
> > >
> > > Unless, of course, you can come up with some method to get a lot
of
> >"gain"
> > > from your memes.
> > >
> > > Keith Henson
> >[Blunderov]
> >Point taken. I was thinking maybe a timely anonymous tip-off to the
> >press? I have little doubt that they would escalate the scope of the
> >thing way beyond its actual extent. And further propogate the meme...
>
> Well, if you really want to have some fun, tip the press that
Christian
> churches have been infiltrated for years with people who went there
with
> the intent of sowing descent.
>
> Keith Henson
[Blunderov]
Brilliant, Holmes!
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