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virus: More than two choices in a poll
« on: 2003-10-15 10:17:28 » |
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If there are more than two choices in any poll or vote, unless it is a question like "how old are you"... there should always be checkboxes instead of radiobuttons. We should endeavor to err in favor of choice.
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First, read Bruce Sterling's "Distraction", and then read http://electionmethods.org.
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Re:virus: More than two choices in a poll
« Reply #1 on: 2003-10-15 11:51:14 » |
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[simul] If there are more than two choices in any poll or vote, unless it is a question like "how old are you"... there should always be checkboxes instead of radiobuttons.
[Lucifer] That only makes sense when the options are not mutually exclusive. Many votes have more than 2 choices and all are mutually exclusive such as this one>> http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=8;action=voteResults;idvote=3
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Re: virus: More than two choices in a poll
« Reply #2 on: 2003-10-15 19:28:29 » |
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Possibly, for that poll, since its intention does not seem to be to determine a virian consensus.
However, just because there is a single winner in results does not mean there must be a single choice in votes.
For example: an existing poll for the number of ratings grades has a list of choices 3,5,7,9,11 etc. Only one can be chosen.
However, I should be able to express my preference for 3 OR 5 as acceptable choices. There is only one, exclusive outcome, but that is no reason to restrict the expression of preference.
The purpose of a poll is to find a consensus single winner - not to determine the single choice within a given vector. I may feel that 3 or 5 is fine. (In fact that is exactly how I feel).
What is the purpose of restricting choices? Does it help, in any way, determine consensus?
For more info, please read: http://www.electionmethods.org
The technique is known as "approval voting" and it is proven to find more pareto and condorcet results than plurality. It is powerful consensus technology, and will result in a more powerful religion over time.
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From: "David Lucifer" <david@lucifer.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 09:51:15
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Subject: Re:virus: More than two choices in a poll
[simul] If there are more than two choices in any poll or vote, unless it is a question like "how old are you"... there should always be checkboxes instead of radiobuttons.
[Lucifer] That only makes sense when the options are not mutually exclusive. Many votes have more than 2 choices and all are mutually exclusive such as this one>> http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=8;action=voteResults;idvote=3
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RE: virus: More than two choices in a poll
« Reply #3 on: 2003-10-15 20:46:07 » |
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[Erik]
However, I should be able to express my preference for 3 OR 5 as acceptable
choices. There is only one, exclusive outcome, but that is no reason to
restrict the expression of preference.
The purpose of a poll is to find a consensus single winner - not to
determine the single choice within a given vector. I may feel that 3 or 5
is fine. (In fact that is exactly how I feel).
[Kalkor]
The purpose of a poll is to gather data about opinions, not find a consensus
single winner. The wording of this poll, by implication since you can only
chose one, is something along the lines of "if you had to chose ONE of
these, which would it be?" not "which of these do you prefer? chose as many
as you'd like."
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Re: virus: More than two choices in a poll
« Reply #4 on: 2003-10-15 23:29:19 » |
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So the purpose of the poll is not to determine the best course of action? Hmm. Then what's the real point?
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:46:07
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[Erik]
However, I should be able to express my preference for 3 OR 5 as acceptable
choices. There is only one, exclusive outcome, but that is no reason to
restrict the expression of preference.
The purpose of a poll is to find a consensus single winner - not to
determine the single choice within a given vector. I may feel that 3 or 5
is fine. (In fact that is exactly how I feel).
[Kalkor]
The purpose of a poll is to gather data about opinions, not find a consensus
single winner. The wording of this poll, by implication since you can only
chose one, is something along the lines of "if you had to chose ONE of
these, which would it be?" not "which of these do you prefer? chose as many
as you'd like."
Kalkor
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RE: virus: More than two choices in a poll
« Reply #6 on: 2003-10-16 17:53:50 » |
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[Erik]
However, I should be able to express my preference for 3 OR 5 as acceptable
choices. There is only one, exclusive outcome, but that is no reason to
restrict the expression of preference.
The purpose of a poll is to find a consensus single winner - not to
determine the single choice within a given vector. I may feel that 3 or 5
is fine. (In fact that is exactly how I feel).
[Kalkor]
The purpose of a poll is to gather data about opinions, not find a consensus
single winner. The wording of this poll, by implication since you can only
chose one, is something along the lines of "if you had to chose ONE of
these, which would it be?" not "which of these do you prefer? chose as many
as you'd like."
[Erik2]
So the purpose of the poll is not to determine the best course of action?
Hmm. Then what's the real point?
[Kalkor2]
Now we're gonna have to get into a semantic argument. Shall we?
'the purpose of a poll'
'the purpose of the poll'
'the purpose of this poll'
Please discuss, class ;-}
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