RE: virus: Prophecy
« Reply #1 on: 2003-08-18 17:34:02 »
But why choose Cheney as the prophet? I cannot imagine that he was the only one to notice that a disaster was looming. Of course you can call me on this, but I feel confident that I will have no trouble finding other 'prophets' of an event that was more or less inevitable.
> But why choose Cheney as the prophet? I cannot imagine that he was the > only one to notice that a disaster was looming. Of course you can call > me on this, but I feel confident that I will have no trouble finding > other 'prophets' of an event that was more or less inevitable. > I didn't say that there aren't plenty of others (although, considering Hermit's many failed predictions of doom if his appeasatory and self- blaming US foreign policy advice was not followed, he is unquestionably not among them), just that in the context of that single statement, Cheney was indeed prophetic. I have the feeling, however, that if I'd titled the post "A Prophet" instead, I still would've been flamed, simply because some people onlist cannot stand for anyone in the current administration to be right about ANYTHING. > > Blunderov > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On > Behalf Of joedees@bellsouth.net Sent: 18 August 2003 08:50 PM To: > virus@lucifer.com Subject: virus: Prophecy > > Dick Cheney asserted that if X was not done, then Y would eventually > happen. > > X was not done. > > Y indeed eventually happened. > > This defines Cheney's assertion as prophetic. > --- > To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to > <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/virus-l> > > > --- > To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to > <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/virus-l>
Re: virus: Prophecy
« Reply #3 on: 2003-08-19 02:06:47 »
>Dick Cheney asserted that if X was not done, then Y would eventually >happen. > >X was not done. > >Y indeed eventually happened. > >This defines Cheney's assertion as prophetic. >--- >To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/ virus-l> >
I told my friend in the us army that I hoped bush wouldn't get elected, because he would go to war... That's even more prophetic, as I didn't put as unlikely a condition on my prophesy. An argument of prophesy cannot be proven by science. Cheney has much greater access to information and intelligence reports than you or I, making any guess on his part more likely to be accurate. Your argument is ridiculous, Quit spamming my account with this useless opinionated garbage, and fact- smearing propaganda. As an unaffiliated third party in this mess. in my own right, I hereby convict you of heresy; and you and your descendants, shall be cleansed in blood! (So, I hope you brought your rubber duckies) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Free E-mail for life. http://www.jmail.co.jp Multi-lingual web hosting. http://www.servance.jp Get your own domain. http://www.domaintorou.com --- To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/virus-l>
RE: virus: Prophecy
« Reply #4 on: 2003-08-19 02:13:04 »
>From: "Blunderov" <squooker@mweb.co.za> >To: <virus@lucifer.com> >Subject: RE: virus: Prophecy >Date sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:34:02 +0200 >Send reply to: virus@lucifer.com > >> But why choose Cheney as the prophet? I cannot imagine that he was the >> only one to notice that a disaster was looming. Of course you can call >> me on this, but I feel confident that I will have no trouble finding >> other 'prophets' of an event that was more or less inevitable. >> >I didn't say that there aren't plenty of others (although, considering >Hermit's many failed predictions of doom if his appeasatory and self- >blaming US foreign policy advice was not followed, he is >unquestionably not among them), just that in the context of that single >statement, Cheney was indeed prophetic. >I have the feeling, however, that if I'd titled the post "A Prophet" instead, >I still would've been flamed, simply because some people onlist cannot >stand for anyone in the current administration to be right about >ANYTHING. >> >> Blunderov >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On >> Behalf Of joedees@bellsouth.net Sent: 18 August 2003 08:50 PM To: >> virus@lucifer.com Subject: virus: Prophecy >> >> Dick Cheney asserted that if X was not done, then Y would eventually >> happen. >> >> X was not done. >> >> Y indeed eventually happened. >> >> This defines Cheney's assertion as prophetic. >> --- >> To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to >> <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/virus-l> >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to >> <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/virus-l> > > >--- >To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/ virus-l> >
RE: virus: Prophecy
« Reply #5 on: 2003-08-19 01:38:17 »
I haven't jumped to the conspiracy position on the Northeast power outage myself, though I haven't completely put it out of my mind either. However if true, it wouldn't be the first time that Cheney has had firsthand involvement in such a thing. Disclosures since the California rolling blackouts increasingly point to deliberate and deceptive manipulations of the energy market by with the deliberate intention, or at least the knowledge that putting California in the dark was the likely outcome. It wouldn't even surprise me if Ken Lay and Dick Cheney actually discussed this conspiracy at their secret governmental meeting while they were setting the energy policies that everyone will have to live with. Of course we may never know for certain since they were secret.
Your points however stand out very clearly. If I "prophesy" that Californians will suffer power outages if they do not vote for me, it doesn't really count as a prophesy if I am effectively the person with the switchbox.
RE: virus: Prophecy
« Reply #6 on: 2003-08-19 03:22:19 »
At 12:38 AM 19/08/03 -0500, you wrote: >I haven't jumped to the conspiracy position on the Northeast power outage >myself, though I haven't completely put it out of my mind either.
I happen to be an EE and have been following mass power failures for a *long* time, clear back to 1967. I consider it unlikely in the extreme that any humans intended the latest blackout to happen.
>However if true, it wouldn't be the first time that Cheney has had >firsthand involvement in such a thing. Disclosures since the California >rolling blackouts increasingly point to deliberate and deceptive >manipulations of the energy market by with the deliberate intention, or at >least the knowledge that putting California in the dark was the likely >outcome.
On the other hand, the California rolling blackouts were a side effect of the largest organized consumer fraid ever to hit the US. The engineering magazines are reporting that there were engineers *writing programs* to optimize the profits by taking advantage of unneeded power plant shutdowns and limited transmission capacity to force up the price of electricity.
The engineering societies have not come to a conclusion about what to do to make obeying your employer a violation of professional standards when the employer is abusing society this way. It should be noted that many of the people who were ordered to do this were foreign H1B visa engineers with the obvious high levels of control that implies.
>It wouldn't even surprise me if Ken Lay and Dick Cheney actually discussed >this conspiracy at their secret governmental meeting while they were >setting the energy policies that everyone will have to live with. Of >course we may never know for certain since they were secret. > >Your points however stand out very clearly. If I "prophesy" that >Californians will suffer power outages if they do not vote for me, it >doesn't really count as a prophesy if I am effectively the person with the >switchbox.
Your points are well taken.
Incidentally, in spite of my qualifications, you should not be absolutely sure the blackout was not the result of a conspiracy. I am consistently not paranoid enough. The failure looks like it was the result of neglect.
Keith Henson
PS. Had the US gone into space in a massive way back in the late 70s and built large numbers of solar power satellites there wouldn't be the looming energy problems.
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