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RE: virus: Re:The End of Freedom: Enforced Conformity
« Reply #15 on: 2003-08-18 17:52:58 » |
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From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf
Of Hermit
Sent: 18 August 2003 09:47 AM
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: virus: Re:The End of Freedom: Enforced Conformity
With all of the furor some of Blunderov's fine posts run the risk of
being missed. I recommend them. One of them contained the
following (though I'm not sure where it is from. Blunderov, if you see
this, please drop me a line and I'll update it on the BBS):
[Blunderov]
Thank you for the compliment. I value it.
I found the story at http://atheism.about.com/b/a/015565.htm
There was also a story: "Texas Pledge-of-Allegiance Law Undermines
Democracy, Critical Thinking"
At http://atheism.about.com/b/a/016181.htm
In fact Texas appears to have many drawbacks, whatever its other virtues
may be:
There is also for instance: "Texas Taliban May Get Biology Text
Censored"
August 14, 2003
Texas Taliban May Get Biology Text Censored
Holt, Rinehart & Winston, publisher of textbooks for public schools
across the country, has done the cowardly thing and agreed to give in to
religious pressure from Christian fundamentalists in Texas over the
placement of evolution in biology texts. Relying upon advice from The
Discovery Institute, a front organization that promotes creationism
under the more marketable name "Intelligent Design," the proposed
changes would undermine the teaching of science by giving students a
misleading impression of what science is about.
The Houston Chronicle explains:
"Rather than stand up for keeping good science standards in textbooks,
Holt Rinehart has compromised the education of Texas students," said
Samantha Smoot, executive director of the Texas Freedom Network, a group
that monitors the religious right. The network singled out a passage
directing students to "study hypotheses for the origin of life that are
alternatives" to others posed in the book. Students also are encouraged
to research alternative theories on the Internet.
Of course, there are no scientific alternatives to the theory of
evolution. There are religious alternatives, that is true, so Christian
fundamentalists are having a biology text for public schools changed to
encourage students to seek out (religious) alternatives to a sound
scientific theory.
Read More:
What is Intelligent Design?
What is Balanced Treatment?
What is Creationism?
What is Evolution?
What is Science?
To be found at:
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/017279.htm
Best regards
Blunderov
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Re: virus: Re:The End of Freedom: Enforced Conformity
« Reply #16 on: 2003-08-18 19:46:14 » |
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At 01:47 AM 18/08/03 -0600, you wrote:
>With all of the furor some of Blunderov's fine posts run the risk of being
>missed. I recommend them. One of them contained the
>following (though I'm not sure where it is from. Blunderov, if you see
>this, please drop me a line and I'll update it on the BBS):
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>Anarchist Website Puts Man in Jail
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>Should a person go to jail just for linking to websites that post
>information about how to make bombs? That appears to be the position of
>the United States government. Sherman Austin has been sentenced for
>doing just that - he pled guilty to "distributing information related to
>explosives" because he was afraid that he would be charged under
>anti-terrorism laws, a designation that might put him in a deep, dark
>hole from which he would never be heard from again.
>Newsday reports:
I suppose linking here would get you in trouble:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/27/pipe.bomb.explain/
Keith Henson
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Re: virus: Re:The End of Freedom: Enforced Conformity
« Reply #17 on: 2003-08-19 14:47:05 » |
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although it is admittedly difficult to understand why someone would be so
stupid as to create such a website in these troubled times. what good was
supposed to have come from it? i have to wonder sometimes how the typical
'anarchist' type can accurately seperate himself from the community around
him who's structure allows him the leisure time to create such 'anarchist'
ideas. if it werent for some sort of structure, he'd spend his mornings out
in the forest scavenging for food and what not. alternate value systems are
fine, but total anarchy is a bit silly...since a more profitable effort
should first be put forth in finding other like minded folks whom with to
share your sentiments...and then follow that up with an effort to create a
seperate state (buy an island?) on which to live apart from that which the
anarchist despises. otherwise it's pure hypocrisy in my opinion.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Hermit" <hidden@lucifer.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: virus: Re:The End of Freedom: Enforced Conformity
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:47:19 -0600
With all of the furor some of Blunderov's fine posts run the risk of being
missed. I recommend them. One of them contained the
following (though I'm not sure where it is from. Blunderov, if you see this,
please drop me a line and I'll update it on the BBS):
Anarchist Website Puts Man in Jail
Should a person go to jail just for linking to websites that post
information about how to make bombs? That appears to be the position of
the United States government. Sherman Austin has been sentenced for
doing just that - he pled guilty to "distributing information related to
explosives" because he was afraid that he would be charged under
anti-terrorism laws, a designation that might put him in a deep, dark
hole from which he would never be heard from again.
Newsday reports:
Austin told the judge Monday he "wasn't really thinking" when he created
the Web site. "I'd be devastated if someone used this information to
harm others," he said. ...Austin said he took a plea bargain because he
feared his case was eligible for a terrorism enhancement, which could
have added 20 years to his sentence. The plea deal had called for him to
serve four months.
This is not the first time that a criminal defendant has felt pressure
to plead guilty to something in order to avoid the excessive power of
government prosecutors under recent anti-terrorism laws. The question
is, who will be next? You?
As I recognised the name of the webmaster of "raisethefist.com
(http://www.raisethefist.com/)" from some posts I made about him in
early 2002 I did some further research which yielded:
Vigilant TV (http://vigilant.tv/search/?words=sherman+austin)
2003-08-06 Californian sentenced for anarchist Web site
U.S. District Judge Stephen Wilson sentenced Sherman Austin Monday to more
than the prosecutor had recommended under a plea bargain.
Austin, 20, pleaded guilty in February to distributing information related
to explosives.
Austin told the judge Monday he "wasn't really thinking" when he created the
Web site. "I'd be devastated if someone used this
information to harm others," he said.
Austin admitted posting links about bombs to enable people to build and use
them during demonstrations against interstate and
foreign trade. He told FBI agents he wanted the Web site to teach people
about police brutality.
Austin must also pay a $2,000 fine and is barred for three years from using
a computer without approval. Wilson said he also may not
associate with anyone from a group that "espouses physical force as a means
of change."
2002-09-26 raisethefist: RTF Webmaster to be Convicted
RaiseTheFist webmaster Sherman Austin has pleaded guilty to charges of
distribution of explosives information. Austin made headlines
in February when an FBI raid took his web site offline. Initial charges were
dropped; his subsequent indictment in late August
didn't receive much attention. Link via Duncan Frissell
(http://technoptimist.blogspot.com/2002_09_22_technoptimist_archive.html#85491147)*,
who laments Austin's decision to plead guilty
and let the charges go unchallenged.
*Hermit: Who provided these links:
http://www.raisethefist.com/news.cgi?artical=wire/----9846413t4a.article
http://www.raisethefist.com/news.cgi?artical=wire/----9845643t4a.article
Both of these still work and point into the site, which is probably worth a
visit.
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