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« Reply #1 on: 2003-04-03 10:00:41 »
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Thanks for the link to the wired magazine article Jonathan, I eagerly await the discussion that may emerge as a result.

With regards to the 2 articles from the Economist – last year I posted those links to the list, with a response that I have included below. Hope you enjoy.

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The latest Economist carries a real scare article warning people about the dangers of neuroscience. Forget about genetics and cloning, it says, the real threat to human nature comes from neuroscience which will once and for all dispel our myths of the soul, will release criminals from the notion of free will by showing biological forces beyond their control, and will increase the degrees of freedom of consumers enabling them to enhance their brains using chemistry and technology, creating a new technologically enhanced class of human beings who will oppress everyone else. It was disturbing for me to read how one of the world’s leading informers of business opinion, framed “understanding the brain” and “choosing to make changes to the brain” so negatively. They of course do not appreciate that we have been tinkering with our brains for millennia. The rationalism of the 17th century has wiped out our society’s memories of the socially endorsed use of hallucinogens to deliberately alter our states of consciousness. But post-17th century attempts to frame the use of mind altering substances as criminal, ill and mentally dysfunctional are beginning to erode. The tides are turning. Europe is decriminalizing substances in spite of American objections, and is already seeing the social and health benefits. America’s own Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is acting contrary to their Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) and is challenging what is increasingly being understood as the DEA’s propaganda in the disguise of science. The FDA has given the go ahead for a study into the possible uses of Ecstasy in treating post traumatic stress disorders. Popular legal mood-altering and performance-enhancing drugs like Prozac, Ritalin, Viagra, “smart drugs” and all their cousins have changed the way ordinary people view their own conscious states. You can now make real consumer choices with regards to how you feel. You can also attend expensive courses on creative thinking and how to animate yourself in a meaningless universe through things like Neuro Linguistic Planning - which incidentally was inspired by computer technology metaphors. Preparing us for the dawn of the cyborg? It is unlikely that brain augmentation will be censored when the pharmaceutical industry has so much to gain, and consumers can claim what is increasingly being seen as their democratic right to feel good and choose the treatment of their choice. It is interesting that the Economist article framed intelligence enhancing technologies as “cosmetic surgery” and implied that feeling even better is not the same as recovering from an illness. Only in western orthodox medicine is the work of doctors seen as treating illness. This is another product of western reductionism, which began in the 17th century. In most other cultural traditions the work of a “physician” is maintaining and improving wellness. Illness is seen as the physician’s failure, not an opportunity to extort patients. The New Age has popularized many non-western techniques for engineering brain states. The growing interest in Shamanism and the use of hallucinogens has grown so rapidly over the last few years that it has spawned a lucrative shamanic tourist industry in South America.  Many South American countries are now rediscovering and legalizing their ancient heritage of hallucinogenic plant brews. Western science’s own chemistry and microbiology has spawned the science of Psychoneuroimmunology, which maps the ways in which the mind can be manipulated to trick the body into health. “Psychosomatic” is used less and less as a derogatory term and is being studied as a valid and powerful phenomenon in the healing process.  On the basis of all this evidence I would like to think that brain implants and more sophisticated brain enhancing chemistry will happen in spite of the fears of conservatives. I would like to think that we are on a runaway system of evolving our bodies epigenetically. I think their fears of a technologically enhanced class of human beings who will oppress everyone else is a little hypocritical since their audience is a small percentage of the planet who is already oppressing everyone else. I think they fear something else - the true empowerment of the individual. Consumerism has unleashed a demon and that demon is: the right to shop. There is no stopping us now. Or is there? The one thing we can be sure of is that if there is a new technology for enhancing the brain it is unlikely that most people will use it to become more intelligent. People are more likely to use it to improve their sex lives and add novelty to escapist entertainment. I think the number of people capable of initiating political revolution will always be the same regardless of the tech. 80% of the information that flows through Internet connections is porn, 10% is gossip, less than 10% is advertising and the small percentage that is left over is research and other information. Can we assume that these ratios represent the interests of consumers no matter what the tech. In my experience of psychedelics this is definitely true. I know very few people who actually generate useful information while tripping. The article did scare me though.

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« Reply #2 on: 2003-04-03 11:49:35 »
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Dear Bricoleur,

I remember your post now! I am sorry I did not check this list first before
posting. Sorry if I have posted about a topic already covered.

That response is superb. May I quote from it elsewhere?

I was attracted to this whole issue when I read something hilarious about
the power of olfactory weapons.

Apparently, the US military have made a new generation of non-lethal weapons
which include a crowd control weapon that uses a stench of such putrid power
that living creatures flee from it without being able to help themselves.

This of course is because of how our brain is wired. The olfactory nerve
does not go through the cerebral cortex but goes straight from the nose to
the "old brain", which reacts at an autonomic level.

In short the stink hits the brain where it can do nothing about it except
marvel as legs  pump pump as they bear the victim away from the stench.

This was just one application of recent advances in this field, and a clever
one at that.

Regards

Jonathan


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Thanks for the link to the wired magazine article Jonathan, I eagerly await
the discussion that may emerge as a result.

With regards to the 2 articles from the Economist - last year I posted those
links to the list, with a response that I have included below. Hope you
enjoy.

the bricoleur.

---------------------------------

This email is from personal communication - I have included it here for the
pleasure of all Virians.

To *

The latest Economist carries a real scare article warning people about the
dangers of neuroscience. Forget about genetics and cloning, it says, the
real threat to human nature comes from neuroscience which will once and for
all dispel our myths of the soul, will release criminals from the notion of
free will by showing biological forces beyond their control, and will
increase the degrees of freedom of consumers enabling them to enhance their
brains using chemistry and technology, creating a new technologically
enhanced class of human beings who will oppress everyone else. It was
disturbing for me to read how one of the world's leading informers of
business opinion, framed "understanding the brain" and "choosing to make
changes to the brain" so negatively. They of course do not appreciate that
we have been tinkering with our brains for millennia. The rationalism of the
17th century has wiped out our society's memories of the socially endorsed
use of hallucinogens to deliberat!
ely alter our states of consciousness. But post-17th century attempts to
frame the use of mind altering substances as criminal, ill and mentally
dysfunctional are beginning to erode. The tides are turning. Europe is
decriminalizing substances in spite of American objections, and is already
seeing the social and health benefits. America's own Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) is acting contrary to their Drug Enforcement Agency
(DEA) and is challenging what is increasingly being understood as the DEA's
propaganda in the disguise of science. The FDA has given the go ahead for a
study into the possible uses of Ecstasy in treating post traumatic stress
disorders. Popular legal mood-altering and performance-enhancing drugs like
Prozac, Ritalin, Viagra, "smart drugs" and all their cousins have changed
the way ordinary people view their own conscious states. You can now make
real consumer choices with regards to how you feel. You can also attend
expensive courses on creative thinki!
ng and how to animate yourself in a meaningless universe through things like
Neuro Linguistic Planning - which incidentally was inspired by computer
technology metaphors. Preparing us for the dawn of the cyborg? It is
unlikely that brain augmentation will be censored when the pharmaceutical
industry has so much to gain, and consumers can claim what is increasingly
being seen as their democratic right to feel good and choose the treatment
of their choice. It is interesting that the Economist article framed
intelligence enhancing technologies as "cosmetic surgery" and implied that
feeling even better is not the same as recovering from an illness. Only in
western orthodox medicine is the work of doctors seen as treating illness.
This is another product of western reductionism, which began in the 17th
century. In most other cultural traditions the work of a "physician" is
maintaining and improving wellness. Illness is seen as the physician's
failure, not an opportunity to extort!
patients. The New Age has popularized many non-western techniques for
engineering brain states. The growing interest in Shamanism and the use of
hallucinogens has grown so rapidly over the last few years that it has
spawned a lucrative shamanic tourist industry in South America.  Many South
American countries are now rediscovering and legalizing their ancient
heritage of hallucinogenic plant brews. Western science's own chemistry and
microbiology has spawned the science of Psychoneuroimmunology, which maps
the ways in which the mind can be manipulated to trick the body into health.
"Psychosomatic" is used less and less as a derogatory term and is being
studied as a valid and powerful phenomenon in the healing process.  On the
basis of all this evidence I would like to think that brain implants and
more sophisticated brain enhancing chemistry will happen in spite of the
fears of conservatives. I would like to think that we are on a runaway
system of evolving our bodies epige!
netically. I think their fears of a technologically enhanced class of human
beings who will oppress everyone else is a little hypocritical since their
audience is a small percentage of the planet who is already oppressing
everyone else. I think they fear something else - the true empowerment of
the individual. Consumerism has unleashed a demon and that demon is: the
right to shop. There is no stopping us now. Or is there? The one thing we
can be sure of is that if there is a new technology for enhancing the brain
it is unlikely that most people will use it to become more intelligent.
People are more likely to use it to improve their sex lives and add novelty
to escapist entertainment. I think the number of people capable of
initiating political revolution will always be the same regardless of the
tech. 80% of the information that flows through Internet connections is
porn, 10% is gossip, less than 10% is advertising and the small percentage
that is left over is research and !
other information. Can we assume that these ratios represent the interests
of consumers no matter what the tech. In my experience of psychedelics this
is definitely true. I know very few people who actually generate useful
information while tripping. The article did scare me though.

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Re:virus: Mind control - a short discussion
« Reply #3 on: 2003-04-11 14:54:42 »
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[bricoleur]
>
>Thanks for the link to the wired magazine article Jonathan, I eagerly await the discussion that may emerge as a result.
>
>With regards to the 2 articles from the Economist  last year I posted those links to the list, with a response that I have included below. Hope you enjoy.
>
>the bricoleur.
>
>---------------------------------
>
>This email is from personal communication - I have included it here for the
>pleasure of all Virians.
>
>To *
>
>The latest Economist carries a real scare article warning people about the dangers of neuroscience. Forget about genetics and cloning, it says, the real threat to human nature comes from neuroscience which will once and for all dispel our myths of the soul, will release criminals from the notion of free will by showing biological forces beyond their control, and will increase the degrees of freedom of consumers enabling them to enhance their brains using chemistry and technology, creating a new technologically enhanced class of human beings who will oppress everyone else. It was disturbing for me to read how one of the worlds leading informers of business opinion, framed understanding the brain and choosing to make changes to the brain so negatively. They of course do not appreciate that we have been tinkering with our brains for millennia. The rationalism of the 17th century has wiped out our societys memories of the socially endorsed use of hallucinogens to deliberately alter our states of consciousness.

[athenonrex]
hmmmm......a state where the intelligent oppress the stupid for a change?
sounds like my metirocracy:
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/anarchoandy/intellocracy.html
(i posted this once before as it's own discussion)

[bricoleur]
But post-17th century attempts to frame the use of mind altering substances as criminal, ill and mentally dysfunctional are beginning to erode. The tides are turning. Europe is decriminalizing substances in spite of American objections, and is already seeing the social and health benefits. Americas own Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is acting contrary to their Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) and is challenging what is increasingly being understood as the DEAs propaganda in the disguise of science.

[athenonrex]
yep...we're seeing a revisiting of tribalism in general in the populace
lately...or at least i have. people have been banding together in more
and more closely knit groups, forming hierarchy. whether these groups be
of the drug culture, political in nature, religeous, or otherwise, the
groups' sense of community is getting stronger each day, as each new
group is formed even.

[bricoleur]
The FDA has given the go ahead for a study into the possible uses of Ecstasy in treating post traumatic stress disorders. Popular legal mood-altering and performance-enhancing drugs like Prozac, Ritalin, Viagra, smart drugs and all their cousins have changed the way ordinary people view their own conscious states. You can now make real consumer choices with regards to how you feel. You can also attend expensive courses on creative thinking and how to animate yourself in a meaningless universe through things like Neuro Linguistic Planning - which incidentally was inspired by computer technology metaphors.

[athenonrex]
well, this wouldn't be the first time that illicit drugs have been used
medically. heroin was used in the civil war as an anesthetic. silopsybin
mushrooms (sp?)as well as LSD have been used in psychological medicine
before. other "natural herbal alternatives" to illicit drugs have been
used recreationally as well as medically (sometimes pseudomedically)as
well: peyote (mescaline), madrake, kava kava, st. john's wort, valerian
root, coca (cocaine, chocolate, coca-cola {original recipe}).

[bricoleur]
Preparing us for the dawn of the cyborg? It is unlikely that brain augmentation will be censored when the pharmaceutical industry has so much to gain, and consumers can claim what is increasingly being seen as their democratic right to feel good and choose the treatment of their choice. It is interesting that the Economist article framed intelligence enhancing technologies as cosmetic surgery and implied that feeling even better is not the same as recovering from an illness. Only in western orthodox medicine is the work of doctors seen as treating illness. This is another product of western reductionism, which began in the 17th century. In most other cultural traditions the work of a physician is maintaining and improving wellness. Illness is seen as the physicians failure, not an opportunity to extort patients.

[athenonrex]
yes, in the west we no longer treat the patient, we treat the illness.
a rather odd practise in my opinion.

[bricoleur]
The New Age has popularized many non-western techniques for engineering brain states. The growing interest in Shamanism and the use of hallucinogens has grown so rapidly over the last few years that it has spawned a lucrative shamanic tourist industry in South America.  Many South American countries are now rediscovering and legalizing their ancient heritage of hallucinogenic plant brews.

[bricoleur]
Western sciences own chemistry and microbiology has spawned the science of Psychoneuroimmunology, which maps the ways in which the mind can be manipulated to trick the body into health. Psychosomatic is used less and less as a derogatory term and is being studied as a valid and powerful phenomenon in the healing process.  On the basis of all this evidence I would like to think that brain implants and more sophisticated brain enhancing chemistry will happen in spite of the fears of conservatives. I would like to think that we are on a runaway system of evolving our bodies epigenetically. I think their fears of a technologically enhanced class of human beings who will oppress everyone else is a little hypocritical since their audience is a small percentage of the planet who is already oppressing everyone else.

[athenonrex]
i've always thought this: a great deal of people with some form of
illness are merely psychosomatically ill, as is the general case with
someone's mental disorder (actually, isn't that precisely what a mental
disorder that's non-chemical is? a psychosomatic episode?). why should
the "illness" not be the cure? psychosomatics (hypochondriacs) are
generally rather sensitive to the proper kinds of suggestion. why not
create a circumstance where they are sensitive to a curative suggestion?

[bricoleur]
I think they fear something else - the true empowerment of the individual. Consumerism has unleashed a demon and that demon is: the right to shop. There is no stopping us now. Or is there? The one thing we can be sure of is that if there is a new technology for enhancing the brain it is unlikely that most people will use it to become more intelligent. People are more likely to use it to improve their sex lives and add novelty to escapist entertainment. I think the number of people capable of initiating political revolution will always be the same regardless of the tech. 80% of the information that flows through Internet connections is porn, 10% is gossip, less than 10% is advertising and the small percentage that is left over is research and !
>other information. Can we assume that these ratios represent the interests of consumers no matter what the tech. In my experience of psychedelics this is definitely true. I know very few people who actually generate useful information while tripping. The article did scare me though.

[athenonrex]
yeah, you're unforunately probably right. people aren't interested in
knowledge or general intelligence that much anymore. they just wat to
keep mister winkie up a little longer, make him a bit longer and wider,
feel a general state of pleasure, and buy things. (all of which
subsequently fall into the escapist type useage.)


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