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Re:virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #15 on: 2003-03-06 04:32:27 » |
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thanks senor elf. yeah...you have a good point there. in 4 days i feel way
closer to the new girl than 6 months got me with the doctor chick. in
addition, instead of heavily editing what i say and talk about with the
doctor gal, i have this amazing comfort level and repor with the new girl -
such that i can pretty much tell her anything and everything without even
feeling a hint of "oh i shouldnt have said that". this is quite remarkable.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "ElvenSage" <hidden@lucifer.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re:virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:32:19 -0700
[quote from: Dr. on 2003-03-04 at 03:59:04]
i hate to give up on the doctor chick but she's such a dead end it
sometimes seems.
If it seems like it's a dead-end relationship, it's best to just end it,
because you most likely are right. I was in a simular situation about 6
months ago. I was going with with this girl Steph, and it seemed to be
going no where. She wanted me to become some nice Christian boy, and marry
her... have kids... etc. She was my friend for a VERY long time, since
middle school.. but it was going no where.
I started talking to this girl (Brittany) a couple weeks before me and
Steph's break up. (Note: it was evident that me and her was going to break
up.) I talked to her for a couple weeks after work. We both got off around
10PM, and usually didn't get home untill 5AM or so. So, we got to know each
other better in a few weeks then I got to know Steph in 6 years.
Like I said, if it seems dead-end just end it. There is no need to drag the
dead-horse around with you.
Anothing thing, I know you didn't ask, but I'll tell you anyways. I do not
know how your relationships are normally, but most of mine before the one I
am currently in was way to restrictive. Both of us in the relationship
would always "play our role." If you know what I mean. In my current
relationship both of us do not play the role of being the "boyfriend" and
"girlfriend." This allowing us to be a hell of a lot more open with each
other. If you do not feel asif you can tell a woman anything and
everything... then it's not really worth trying IMHO. Communication is
everything.
Well, I wish you luck.
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Re:virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #16 on: 2003-03-06 07:30:39 » |
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[Michelle]
Your original query was quite meaningful, with the exception of the attachment of the photo for all to objectify and debase with Am-I-Hot critique.
Is this just a "man thing"
[rhinoceros]
It seems that the context of Michelle's question was somehow lost along the way.
First, do women show their boyfriends pictures for self-vindication? Do they post them in rating sites? Do they show them to friends? Do they seek affirmation based on the looks of the pictures? Or is it just a "man thing"? I think they do, although I am not sure to what degree.
Second, should anyone do that? There is an issue here with the person displayed and possibly with the person "not displayed". I know that some persons enjoy being displayed like that -- a small vanity thing -- while other persons would find it insulting. I can't say what is the case with Sebby's girlfriends, but it seems to be exclusively his own decision to keep us always updated.
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Re: virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #17 on: 2003-03-06 07:30:50 » |
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In a message dated 3/5/2003 6:44:09 PM Central Standard Time,=20
britannica@hotmail.com writes:
[Michelle]Is this just a "man thing"
[Mermaid]Yes, Michelle...it is...
[Jake]I hereby award this little side exchange about "how men are" the snow=20
penis award, and in order to bestow this award, I will cut and paste the=20
latest from the memetics list snow penis thread which is still alive and=20
going, so if a phallus is going really upset you ladies, I suggest you STOP=20
READING NOW! STOP IT! NOW! YOU ARE STILL READING THIS EMAIL, I can tell=20
because I can feel your eyes through the monitors (its a little iris scan=20
biometrics technology that comes installed into all computer monitors so the=
=20
Ashcroft army will know what you are reading). Okay here comes the snow=20
penis!! You can stop reading now
Subj: Re: Fwd: Women's Group Debates Snow Penis =20
Date: 3/6/2003 6:15:22 AM Central Standard Time=20
From: kennethvanoost@belgacom.net (Van oost Kenneth)
Sender: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk
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To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
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From: "Vincent Campbell" <VCampbell@dmu.ac.uk>
> I actually think this is of interest to the list as it demonstrates two
> things. First the fear of the embodiment of ideas in artefacts, even such
> transient ones as snow sculpture, that leads people to defile/destroy
them.
> Second, it demonstrates the power of ideology, in this case the ideology
of
> radical feminism, to lead to extraordinary cases of self-contradiction.
In
> this case, radical feminism suggests that the "correct" response to the
> historical repression of female identity (including, but not exclusively
> sexual identity) is the repression of male sexuality and indeed the
Hi all, maybe a little bit overdue, but anyway,
I agree here, Vincent, it demonstrates not only the power of ideology
but also the lack of understanding, of comprehending an actual ' joke '.
What seems strange to me thought, is the fact that women always seem
to be offended by the representation of the phallus, never heard that men
were offended by watching a woman 's vagina made out of snow or of
whatever. Is there somewhere a memetic difference in how we see
things here or what !?
Secondly, this demonstrates a far more larger problem and that is the
question of sex and nudity in general. Something, can it be more natural,
like sex and nudity are still somewhere treated as a social/ cultural taboo.
I can recall several incidents where holiday snapshots of playing children
in the nude were seen as pornographic, I can recall that images taking
by the late Mapplethorpe of homosexuals were taking of the wall because
they were treated as ' offensive '....but they were ' art '...
Shouldn 't we border more about what is really out there, than yackety-
yack' about a penis like those students did !?
We 're living in 2003, we have Internet, we have technologies where
our parents only could dream about and they border about sex....!?
Sex sells and either way, women and males are beautiful to look at...
some more than others but there you are....
Regards,
Kenneth
[Jake] and just to be extra thorough, I will also include the initial post o=
f=20
the snow penis thread, so if you are still reading, well give up now! STOP=20
READING! :-)
Subj: Re: Fwd: Women's Group Debates Snow Penis Date: 2/26/2003 8:33:55 PM=20
Central Standard Time From: rrecchia@mail.clarityconnect.com (Ray Recchia)=20
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memetics@mmu.ac.uk
An amusing article and perhaps of interest to those at Harvard, but I don't=20
think you can justify its presence on this list without some extreme=20
stretching.
Ray Recchia
At 05:42 PM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: Originally published on Wednesday,=20
February 26, 2003 in the News section of The Harvard Crimson.
Women's Group Debates Snow Penis By HERA A. ABBASI Crimson Staff Writer
The destroyers of the nine foot snow phallus explained their motivations to=20
the Radcliffe Union of Students (RUS) at a meeting last night, receiving a=20
mixed reaction from the feminist group.
The sculpture=E2=80=99s destroyers, Amy E. Keel =E2=80=9904 and her roommate=
Mary C.=20
Cardinale =E2=80=9903, said they leveled the ice penis in order to spare oth=
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being offended by it.
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to a penis,=E2=80=9D Keel said. =E2=80=9CIt was a structure put up to assert=
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Cardinale said that she thought the sculpture was =E2=80=9Clewd=E2=80=9D and=
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The 20 students at the meeting debated the free speech rights of the=20
builders=E2=80=94and destroyers=E2=80=94of the giant penis and discussed how=
affronted=20
onlookers could have responded to its construction.
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Tercentenary Theater by members of the men=E2=80=99s crew team on Feb. 11=
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were less sure about its inappropriateness.
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Honig =E2=80=9904 said. =E2=80=9CThere=20
are things to me that are so much worse.=E2=80=9D
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sculpture was torn down because it took a great deal of work to construct.
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the sculpture down, then that would raise the issue of =E2=80=9Cmale dominat=
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opinions.
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Re:virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #18 on: 2003-03-06 07:38:04 » |
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[ElvenSage]
If you do not feel asif you can tell a woman anything and everything... then it's not really worth trying IMHO. communication is everything.
[Dr.Sebby]
thanks senor elf. yeah...you have a good point there. in 4 days i feel way closer to the new girl than 6 months got me with the doctor chick. in addition, instead of heavily editing what i say and talk about with the doctor gal, i have this amazing comfort level and repor with the new girl - such that i can pretty much tell her anything and everything without even feeling a hint of "oh i shouldnt have said that". this is quite remarkable.
[rhinoceros]
I fully agree to that. Well... most likely you will have to pay for that in the future, but it is worth the price.
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Re: virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #19 on: 2003-03-06 08:01:10 » |
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In a message dated 3/6/2003 6:37:15 AM Central Standard Time,
rhinoceros@freemail.gr writes:
[rhinoceros]
It seems that the context of Michelle's question was somehow lost along the
way.
First, do women show their boyfriends pictures for self-vindication? Do they
post them in rating sites? Do they show them to friends? Do they seek
affirmation based on the looks of the pictures? Or is it just a "man thing"?
I think they do, although I am not sure to what degree.
[Jake] I have found in my limited experience that women have an even harder
time than men keeping their mouths shut. Maybe not all women do this, but I
feel certain that women indeed do things just like this. What they also do
sometimes is choose to tell certain people whom they know are even more
unable to keep their mouths shut. And after a few instances of this, they
may as well have posted it in publicly browsable web space. Perhaps Sebby's
approach is simply more honest? What's wrong with sharing a little manly
puppy crush with a community who cares about you and supports you in your
search for emotional well being?
[rhino] Second, should anyone do that? There is an issue here with the person
displayed and possibly with the person "not displayed". I know that some
persons enjoy being displayed like that -- a small vanity thing -- while
other persons would find it insulting. I can't say what is the case with
Sebby's girlfriends, but it seems to be exclusively his own decision to keep
us always updated.
[Jake] I wouldn't, but then I'm not Sebby. I also haven't ever dated anyone
who has a model promo shoot like this. Certainly in a memetic sense we have
to consider the possibility that Sebby's behavior may actually be beneficial
to this young woman's career. I wonder if she knows about the hard work that
Sebby is doing on her behalf? Maybe she will find out one day if she hasn't
already, and then perhaps we shall all know.
BTW, though I pray for Sebby to get laid, when it actually happens, I figure
Sebby probably won't tell us for a while, and when and if he does, it will
probably come in a sideways manner as it's not generally a good idea to kiss
and tell the details. But certainly this should stand as no prohibition
whatsoever to my little prayer experiment. Perhaps Sebby someday slyly lets
me know if my prayers have been "answered"? What's the harm in a little
scientific experiment on the power of prayer? Do it for science, Sebby! ;-)
Love,
-Jake
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Re: virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #20 on: 2003-03-06 10:56:16 » |
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[Jake] True to the inner attention hogs that all women harbor, they become
grumpy because someone else's personal life receives more than their own.
No, not a man thing, a dear friend whom I love named Sebby thing. Because
he is the only one like him, I like him just the way he is. He's special to
me. Does that upset you, girls?
[Michelle] Calm down, Jake! You may have noticed by now (thank you
Rhinoceros!) that I was not insulting Sebby, I was insulting the level of
responses to a photo of a fully clad beautiful girl. Sebby seems like the
intelligent kind of guy who could appreciate just as much the fact that I
looked at the photos and thought she looked very empathetic and kind, with
her open features and soft expressions. And I didn't even have to ask for
"action shots"!
*wink*
-Michelle
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Re: virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #21 on: 2003-03-06 10:59:26 » |
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Sebby, I sure didn't mean to pick on you - like I said, it was much more the
responses than what YOU said. I guess I felt empathy toward your new love
that she was being commented on so crassly.
It does sound like you've got a connection, and that's more important than
any rational list of positives and negatives or series of affirmations from
others. You've followed your heart now and just need some reassurance.
As far as genuine advice goes, I guess I'd add this:
there are some people who feel totally open and connective with almost
everyone. People who know them would describe them as good, loving, joyful,
or even in more mystical terms, because they are so easy and pleasurable to
be around. They sometimes take it for granted that others know this level
of intimacy and emotional openness, and almost anyone will fall in love with
them, given enough exposure. Be a bit wary - people to whom love comes so
easily sometimes don't treat it with the reverence it deserves. Not that I
have any inkling of what she's really like, just a warning. (I speak out of
guilt.)
----- Original Message -----
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To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
> ...actually michelle, it's quite a dilemma for me. i get along
wonderfully
> with the doctor chick, but the severe limitations she puts on our
> relationship go far beyond just sex...and what's worse is that it is all
> pretty much because of her fussy old-fashioned "live in a box till youre
> 100yrs old and completely safe" mother. so what im saying is that a
painful
> and cruel goodbye is in order for one of them...well, pretty much the
doctor
> gal for certain. but it's a very uncomfortable situation and i fear i'll
> add to her already fierce paranoia about emotional approximation if i just
> walk away from her.
>
> ...your other point is not quite valid - of course the other attributes
are
> crucial...i wouldnt even bother getting to know a gal if they were lacking
> them. i sort of figured that it goes without saying...i suppose the
female
> mind and the male mind sometimes have a difficult time coming to
understand
> each other, hence your upsettedness. and in truth i wouldve presented
this
> situation differently if i had been speaking to a girl (which i have
> done..all with a unanimous result - the doctor gal is tweaked in some
way).
>
> drsebby.
>
>
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Michelle" <michelle@barrymenasherealtors.com>
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Subject: Re: virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:03:34 -0800
>
> What I find interesting is that you, Sebby, feel it's appropriate to get
> advice on a girl based on whether you have sex and whether she's
> attractive - you don't mention her intellect, her compassion, her
interests,
> what you have in common, etc. - so you've obviously made up your mind and
> are now just looking for the inevitable ball-size-acknoweldgement because
> she's hot.
>
> So, good for you, you got a hot chick. No doubt the doctor is hot as
well.
> Wonderful! Splendid!
>
> I'm so impressed with you "gentlemen".
>
> I am perhaps basing my irritation more on the level of the responses
you've
> been getting, Sebby, than on your original query, so I apologize if that's
> the case. Your original query was quite meaningful, with the exception of
> the attachment of the photo for all to objectify and debase with Am-I-Hot
> critique. Is this just a "man thing"
>
> crankily,
> Michelle
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Re: Re:virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #22 on: 2003-03-06 11:21:05 » |
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> [Michelle]
> Your original query was quite meaningful, with the exception of the
attachment of the photo for all to objectify and debase with Am-I-Hot
critique.
>
> Is this just a "man thing"
>
>
> [rhinoceros]
> It seems that the context of Michelle's question was somehow lost along
the way.
Thank you for noticing! 
> First, do women show their boyfriends pictures for self-vindication? Do
they post them in rating sites? Do they show them to friends? Do they seek
affirmation based on the looks of the pictures? Or is it just a "man thing"?
I think they do, although I am not sure to what degree.
I think they do when they're in high school, maybe. I've actually only
known one woman in my entire life who showed off her boyfriend in that way.
That was when we were 15. I think we do more comparisons of how many things
he does to show us he loves us. (What shows us that varies from neurosis to
neurosis... from buying us chocolates to killing our husbands, I suppose)
> Second, should anyone do that? There is an issue here with the person
displayed and possibly with the person "not displayed". I know that some
persons enjoy being displayed like that -- a small vanity thing -- while
other persons would find it insulting. I can't say what is the case with
Sebby's girlfriends, but it seems to be exclusively his own decision to keep
us always updated.
>
Some people absolutely do enjoy that, you're right. And it's hard for us
girls to not sometimes pick up the flag and charge for no reason. I was
actually trying to relate this to my boyfriend a few weeks ago when
Madonna's "Truth or Dare" movie was on. Her dad was at the concert in
Detroit, and my boyfriend said how weird he must have felt watching her show
(all the simulated sex). I said "can you extend that to see why some women
have problems with porn and stripping and such? extend that father-daughter
feeling of empathy (or projected shame or guilt or pride or dignity - what
would you clall it?) to all women?" He didn't want to think that deeply so
that discussion was shut down, but that's where the knee-jerk sticking up
for each other comes from.
I know I respect my boyfriend more because he doesn't use me to enhance his
reputation. When people find out I'm his girlfriend, he's always proud, but
he doesn't boast. It's nice, makes me feel less like a piece of jewelry.
And I don't use him, either. The pictures I have on my desk of him are
rather plain. When I do brag on him, it's about his sweetness, or his
talent, or his creativity, or how he takes care of me.
But physical perfection is said to be an indicator of genetic superiority,
so if you're planning to possibly breed, it is relevant!
-Michelle
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RE: virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #23 on: 2003-03-06 11:31:49 » |
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Having spent the last year+ doing very extensive book- and field-research on
the subject of human attraction, I think I may have some perspective on the
reactions of Michelle and Mermaid to the meat-market mentality of the males
on this list inre Sebby's posting of his lady friend's pic.
What it really comes down to are the memetic and genetic cues that humans
respond to with the emotion (unconscious neurochemical reaction?) that we
call "attraction".
These memetic and genetic factors are NOT the same in males and females.
Males and females chose mates for different reasons, consciously and
unconsciously. Attraction is pretty much unconscious and uncontrollable,
especially for women since it relies primarily on subtle, complex cues
whereas for men it relies primarily on visual/physical attributes.
I see this kind of comment all the time from men who are frustrated in their
ability to attract a mate: "Hey, I'm a nice guy, I'm fairly good looking, I
see really hot women out all the time with guys who look like they hit every
branch on the ugly tree. Why can't I get a woman?"
This kind of question would very rarely be asked by a woman. The cues are
different. The man in the above example has made several assumptions about
what attracts women based on his intimate knowledge of what attracts men.
When Michelle and Mermaid commented on the Sebby thread, I think they were
doing something of a similar nature to when men complain about women being
"scheming" or "greedy" after being rejected a few times. They were
complaining about our mechanisms of attraction, which are "shallow" and
"sexist".
I have a strong desire at this point to cross threads with Rhinoceros'
"Genes, Chemical Surges, and Reason," but I'm sure you get the picture.
If you'd like some more perspective on these issues, pick up an issue of
Cosmo sometime, or watch Desmond Morris' "The Human Animal", or hang around
any of the very large Attraction sites on the internet, such as The Don Juan
Bible (found at www.sosuave.com) or www.doubleyourdating.com (I know, both
of those are geared towards men primarily. Know of any that are geared
towards women?)
Kalkor
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Re:virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #24 on: 2003-03-06 13:41:09 » |
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Quote from: rhinoceros on 2003-03-06 07:38:04
[ElvenSage]
If you do not feel asif you can tell a woman anything and everything... then it's not really worth trying IMHO. communication is everything.
[Dr.Sebby]
thanks senor elf. yeah...you have a good point there. in 4 days i feel way closer to the new girl than 6 months got me with the doctor chick. in addition, instead of heavily editing what i say and talk about with the doctor gal, i have this amazing comfort level and repor with the new girl - such that i can pretty much tell her anything and everything without even feeling a hint of "oh i shouldnt have said that". this is quite remarkable.
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Quote:. i get along wonderfully
with the doctor chick, but the severe limitations she puts on our
relationship go far beyond just sex...and what's worse is that it is all
pretty much because of her fussy old-fashioned "live in a box till youre
100yrs old and completely safe" mother. |
Sounds like your love life is a lot like mine Sebby.
Steph was a realyl nice girl, I got along with her, most of our problem was with her parents who wanted her to live and old-fashioned "good christian" life.
Breaking up with her though, was the best thing I think I've ever done with my life. So, I must encourage you on the break-up based on the cercumstances. Especially since you seem to really want to break up with the doctor chic.
[quote author=Kalkor]These memetic and genetic factors are NOT the same in males and females.
Males and females chose mates for different reasons, consciously and
unconsciously. Attraction is pretty much unconscious and uncontrollable,
especially for women since it relies primarily on subtle, complex cues
whereas for men it relies primarily on visual/physical attributes.
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I guess I must be like a woman then. I'd much rather have a girl that is intellegient and ugly. Then stupid and sexy. Although, I have both right now. =D
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See.. they don't give a fuck about you, like i do.
Just stay with me, safe and ignorant,
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RE: virus: Sebby's new girl. open for reviews
« Reply #25 on: 2003-03-06 14:46:29 » |
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[quote author=Kalkor]These memetic and genetic factors are NOT the same in
males and females.
Males and females chose mates for different reasons, consciously and
unconsciously. Attraction is pretty much unconscious and uncontrollable,
especially for women since it relies primarily on subtle, complex cues
whereas for men it relies primarily on visual/physical attributes.
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[Elvensage]
I guess I must be like a woman then. I'd much rather have a girl that is
intellegient and ugly. Then stupid and sexy. Although, I have both right
now. =D
[Kalkor]
Which is pretty much universal. However, the REASONS you want these
attributes in a mate has nothing to do with the neurochemical responses you
have to the cues I mentioned (attraction). Which is why "nice guys" whine
about how all the women fall for "jerks", and why all the women whine about
their "jerk" boyfriends to "nice guys" who want them.
Ask any woman what she looks for in a man, and she'll spew a bunch of
attributes (as will any guy) that have nothing to do with first-sight or
first-meet attraction. This is the main topic of discussion for dating
sites, if you happen to come across any ;-}
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