virus: Let it begin again
« on: 2003-03-03 12:31:03 »
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I think we should start off by revisiting what it is that we think we are creating. What is a religion/integrated philosophy composed of? What should Virus look like? -- David McFadzean david@lucifer.com Memetic Engineer Adaptive AI Inc.
Re: virus: Let it begin again
« Reply #1 on: 2003-03-03 15:04:28 »
In a message dated 3/3/2003 11:36:58 AM Central Standard Time, david@lucifer.com writes:
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I think we should start off by revisiting what it is that we think we are creating. What is a religion/integrated philosophy composed of? What should Virus look like? -- David McFadzean david@lucifer.com Memetic Engineer Adaptive AI Inc.
Re:virus: Let it begin again
« Reply #2 on: 2003-03-03 20:43:40 »
We should investigate political control, but I believe influence is critical first. To create interest and recognition I propose a series of Media productions, perhaps a movie, a short film, animatics shorties, flash animation, a column in local/inter/national newspaper/mag, radio/TV/mag/newspaper interviews, expanding website to different personalities and familiarities. Ideality the CoV will become a hive effecting politics, optimal best practices, memeplexes, essays, blogging, socializing, advising, news portals and entertainment portals. The CoV should expand to a physical presence in society, would we have a physical Church, would it be dedicated, maybe hired at first? Use a place with web access? Rent regional cyber cafés? How expensive? How achievable? Dinner parties hosted by members? Do we need more fundraising techniques? The human mind is the great limiting factor.
Re:virus: Let it begin again
« Reply #3 on: 2003-03-05 13:10:56 »
[Jake Sapiens] I think that if we can configure our understanding of "religion", to more essentially involve mythology (of a more realistic quality) and render supernaturalism unnecessary, that we can succeed in creating a religious strain of CoV. The fact that religion in the US enjoys considerable freedom of operation (perhaps too much by some estimations) as well as constitutional recognition and protection, certainly could benefit CoV as well as it does more traditional religions.
[rhinoceros] A Virian Mythology! That could be a good start for a religion. It should follow human history and especially the history of science, with gods, semi-gods and titans emerging and falling. It should be closer to pagan mythologies with no good-evil polarity; just gods carrying both good and evil in them and motivated by both their own memeplexes and the winds of their time. The final text of the scripture should be lucid and poetic.
Well... maybe I am asking too much, since I have not enough time to contribute...
[Jake Sapiens] I think that if we can configure our understanding of "religion", to more essentially involve mythology (of a more realistic quality) and render supernaturalism unnecessary, that we can succeed in creating a religious strain of CoV. The fact that religion in the US enjoys considerable freedom of operation (perhaps too much by some estimations) as well as constitutional recognition and protection, certainly could benefit CoV as well as it does more traditional religions.
[rhinoceros] A Virian Mythology! That could be a good start for a religion. It should follow human history and especially the history of science, with gods, semi-gods and titans emerging and falling. It should be closer to pagan mythologies with no good-evil polarity; just gods carrying both good and evil in them and motivated by both their own memeplexes and the winds of their time. The final text of the scripture should be lucid and poetic.
Well... maybe I am asking too much, since I have not enough time to contribute...
Nah...A mythology would be made of either false information, or information that might one day turn out to be false.
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Re:virus: Let it begin again
« Reply #5 on: 2003-03-07 06:50:46 »
[sun tzu] Nah...A mythology would be made of either false information, or information that might one day turn out to be false.
[rhinoceros] Sure, strictly speaking a mythology would be false from the beginning because things are never as simple as they seem. But that's why it is called a mythology. The important thing is what it conveys and how powerfully it does it.
The idea was to look into the toolbox of the successful religions. What is common between the Bible, Homer's Iliad, the adventures of Hercules, Nordic Mythology, the various theogeny mythologies, even urban legends? The power of the stories is always there. The stories have been harvesting minds and are readily recited by all kinds of people.
The hard part is to put together and animate the attributes we want, virtues, sins or anything else by example in a non-didactic manner. If a full blown virian mythology is too lofty a project, we could start with individual stories. Another idea which has been put forth in our IRC channel was just writing fiction along these lines.
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