> barbnowinva@yahoo.com wrote:
> > snip>> The problem here is that these are bad analogies. >
> > I agree the essay oversimpifies evil to make its point
> >
> >> "The world and all that is in it was created perfect, but the
> >> fall of man created ramifications and consequences that we are
> >> still struggling with today."
> >>
> >> The bizarre old notion (bless you, Saint Augustine) of the Fall of
> >> Man.
> >
> > The notion is actually biblical. When Adam sinned he added sin to
> > the nature of our souls (a spiritual mutation perhaps) and we are
> > unable to live the sinless life that the righteousness of god
> > demands. So because he is also merciful and loving he paid the price
> > and provided an answer to our sin problem, for free no less.
> >
> > snip>>The whole idea of Original Sin
> >
> > It's not an idea, it's a fact of our being. Are you perfect and
> > without sin? Is any human perfect and without sin? However you think
> > the urge towards choices we call sin got there (the fall or
> > whatever), it is there. God is sinless, we are not, so he provided a
> > payment for all sin for all time. It's the deal of eternity.
>
> You miss the point there - Original Sin was dreamt up as a theological
> construct as a delict which was handed down to all generations of
> humanity, which excluded us all from heaven so that we all went to
> hell when we died. This legalistic twaddle was manufactured for the
> purpose of making sense of the doctrine of the Redemption - without
> Original Sin, there was no convincing need for the Redemption. Guess
> what, Barb? I don't believe that there ever was a Garden of Eden with
> my Original Parents in it, or that there was a Tree of the Knowledge
> of Good and Evil (nothing about "Good and the Absence of Good"), or
> that ... And if it comes to that, any god who's unjust enough to blame
> my infant son for something done a million years ago and stupid enough
> to have to buy his own forgiveness for my infant son by being
> crucified in a rather dull part of the world - well, he doesn't get my
> vote as the brightest star in the firmament ...
>
> > snip>>Lying is a deliberate act intended to mislead.
> >
> > and it is unsually our sin nature that causes us to mislead
> > intentionally (though we may also lie out of fear, politeness or
> > other seeming necessity)
>
> The original said, "The act of lying is really an act of not being
> able to tell the truth." That's rubbish, as you agree.
>
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