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virus: Anyone feel up to it?
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Proposing a Sunday 2:00 GMT chat topic for the new chat? Of course the rule
is, if you propose it, you have to show up! :-) If we have multiple
suggestions, showing up would certainly help the chances of it getting
discussed. Flux? Limbic? Rafael? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?
:-)
Love,
Jake
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virus: Re: Anyone feel up to it?
« Reply #1 on: 2003-02-15 00:07:31 » |
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I forgot to include the link to both the logs and the chat:
http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chat
Anyone feel up to it?
Proposing a Sunday 2:00 GMT chat topic for the new chat? Of course the rule
is, if you propose it, you have to show up! :-) If we have multiple
suggestions, showing up would certainly help the chances of it getting
discussed. Flux? Limbic? Rafael? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?
:-)
Love,
Jake
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Re: virus: Re: Anyone feel up to it?
« Reply #2 on: 2003-02-15 01:35:10 » |
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I am sorry I keep resending this, but maybe the repetition will help
regardless ;-). But I jut wanted to clarify the chat time as Sunday 14:00GMT
(08:00CST), which for some of you will be 2:00 PM :-)
I forgot to include the link to both the logs and the chat:
http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chat
Anyone feel up to it?
Proposing a Sunday 14:00 GMT chat topic for the new chat? Of course the rule
is, if you propose it, you have to show up! :-) If we have multiple
suggestions, showing up would certainly help the chances of it getting
discussed. Flux? Limbic? Rafael? Anyone? Anyone? Bueler?
:-)
Love,
Jake
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Re:virus: Anyone feel up to it?
« Reply #3 on: 2003-02-15 01:41:02 » |
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I've talked to alot of you about this before, but this would be a good group conversation:
"Is there such thing as a selfless act?"
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Safe from the pain and truth and choice and other poison devils
See.. they don't give a fuck about you, like i do.
Just stay with me, safe and ignorant,
Go back to sleep
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Re:virus: Anyone feel up to it?
« Reply #4 on: 2003-02-19 01:41:42 » |
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 3:00:19 PM Central Standard Time, jonathan.davis@lineone.net writes:
Hi Guys,
I originally sent this on Saturday but it did not get through. Here is
another go.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Davis
To: virus@lucifer.com
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: virus: Anyone feel up to it?
My suggestions are:
Political Quietism: Is withdrawal from the debate the only rational course
during a propaganda arms race?
This topic would discuss how a Virian attitude might be developed to guide
us when geo-political crises cause a surfeit of lying and propaganda on all
sides of an important debate. For example, with this situation in Iraq, I
have been reduced to having a form of faith - simply because disinformation
and arguments on all sides are so obvious and faulty, I feel like switching
off and saying "I simply do not know what to think." Orwell referred to this
as Political Quietism. When nationalists are engaged in a full on propaganda
battle, he suggested staying out of it. The problem is that decisions are
being taken and events are about to overtake debate.
How do we Virians approach this cacophony? What principles guide us? What do
we do when information and knowledge - the fuel of rationalism - are tainted
with lies and deliberate falsehoods? The danger is that we creates dogmas.
Fixed, certain things we all agree and are filed under "beyond debate". Can
we approach the modern world with an open mind when it is so quickly filled
with junk or do we pin down certainties and in effect close the door a
little?
Regards
Jonathan (Limbic) Davis
[Jake] Well, we missed you. Perhaps if you can make another time, we can give that topic a spin. Indeed, we might even try this here. When I read your topic, I thought to myself, yes this sounds familiar, maybe that what my "let's give war a chance" thread was really more about. Its just a point of political and memetic overload. There just comes a "crossover" point where you realize where the world is going, regardless of whoever was most responsible for sending it there. Why, I even think I've even recognized this attitude in our leader, such as he is, when I opened my Internet front page to "Bush Shrugs Off War Protesters". When I saw that, the warning light went off and I suddenly wondered if what you aren't suggesting people do is to simply press the "ignore" button. If so it seems that Bush is doing a great job of that - what did we call it? withdrawal from the debate? So now I'm beginning to wonder if it's so rational after all. What do y'all think?
Love,
-Jake (for whom this will be his 1999th post to CoV - maybe I should shut up a bit myself eh?  )
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Re:virus: Anyone feel up to it?
« Reply #5 on: 2003-02-19 02:39:07 » |
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Quote from: Jake Sapiens on 2003-02-19 01:41:42
In a message dated 2/18/2003 3:00:19 PM Central Standard Time, jonathan.davis@lineone.net writes:
Hi Guys,
I originally sent this on Saturday but it did not get through. Here is
another go.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Davis
To: virus@lucifer.com
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: virus: Anyone feel up to it?
My suggestions are:
Political Quietism: Is withdrawal from the debate the only rational course
during a propaganda arms race?
This topic would discuss how a Virian attitude might be developed to guide
us when geo-political crises cause a surfeit of lying and propaganda on all
sides of an important debate. For example, with this situation in Iraq, I
have been reduced to having a form of faith - simply because disinformation
and arguments on all sides are so obvious and faulty, I feel like switching
off and saying "I simply do not know what to think." Orwell referred to this
as Political Quietism. When nationalists are engaged in a full on propaganda
battle, he suggested staying out of it. The problem is that decisions are
being taken and events are about to overtake debate.
How do we Virians approach this cacophony? What principles guide us? What do
we do when information and knowledge - the fuel of rationalism - are tainted
with lies and deliberate falsehoods? The danger is that we creates dogmas.
Fixed, certain things we all agree and are filed under "beyond debate". Can
we approach the modern world with an open mind when it is so quickly filled
with junk or do we pin down certainties and in effect close the door a
little?
Regards
Jonathan (Limbic) Davis
[Jake] Well, we missed you. Perhaps if you can make another time, we can give that topic a spin. Indeed, we might even try this here. When I read your topic, I thought to myself, yes this sounds familiar, maybe that what my "let's give war a chance" thread was really more about. Its just a point of political and memetic overload. There just comes a "crossover" point where you realize where the world is going, regardless of whoever was most responsible for sending it there. Why, I even think I've even recognized this attitude in our leader, such as he is, when I opened my Internet front page to "Bush Shrugs Off War Protesters". When I saw that, the warning light went off and I suddenly wondered if what you aren't suggesting people do is to simply press the "ignore" button. If so it seems that Bush is doing a great job of that - what did we call it? withdrawal from the debate? So now I'm beginning to wonder if it's so rational after all. What do y'all think?
Love,
-Jake (for whom this will be his 1999th post to CoV - maybe I should shut up a bit myself eh? )
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Maybe we should consider this for an example of political quietism?
"Thirteen incoming members of the European Union endorsed a joint declaration in Brussels, Belgium, that warned Saddam he had one last chance to disarm.
French President Jacques Chirac scoffed that the 13 had ''missed a good opportunity to keep quiet.''"
hmmm?
Love,
-Jake
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