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JD
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virus: Late submision for todays IRC discussion topic
« on: 2003-02-09 06:40:13 »

"How can we compete?"

Given that one of the aims of the CoV is to foster a memetic religion to
replace the current set, how can we compete without creating true believers
and virulent irrational memes that rely on rhetoric or deceitful propaganda
for propagation?

I am wondering this after a series of depressing encounters with bigots and
fanatics where they carried the crowd despite denying reality. Rhetoric
trumps the truth. Furthermore it is hard to be truthful using rhetoric and
near impossible to convince even a neutral audience when you are against
someone who is but you do not.

Most terrifyingly, the zeal and anger of these people is taken as evidence
of the truth of their claims, and their good faith. I was cast as a
calculating villain using clever words and mind games to deceive and deny.

What chance do we stand against such people? Are thee short sharp shock type
curatives for virulent chauvinism or fanaticism? Would a pro-CoV fanatic be
a good thing or a bad thing?

Regards

Jonathan
http://www.limbicnutrition.com/blog/

P.S. Just in from the Philosophers Magazine quote of the day service:

"Look at what Christ said about sin. The sins of the flesh. He said that a
man who had looked after a woman lustfully had sinned as much as the man who
had seduced her. How absurd! If a man in good health does not experience
some kind of sexual reaction when he sees an attractive woman, there is
something wrong with him. Paul said some wicked things, but Christ started
it."

Bertrand Russell
--An Interview with Kenneth Harris

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Re: virus: Late submision for todays IRC discussion topic
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Re: virus: Late submision for todays IRC discussion topic
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Re: virus: Late submision for todays IRC discussion topic
« Reply #3 on: 2003-02-10 11:33:47 »

----- Original Message -----
From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: virus: Late submision for todays IRC discussion topic

> [excessive quoting deleted - ed. (Joe, can you take a hint?)]
>
> > I am wondering this after a series of depressing encounters with
> > bigots and fanatics where they carried the crowd despite denying
> > reality.
> >
> Could you please relate the chain of words and events that transpired
> during these encounters as well as you can remember? Then perhaps
> the CoV can analyze them together.

I could Joe, but they are rather vague. More an impression gained than
anything specific. I am relating encounters with a wide range of zealots and
true believers. I get the feeling that it is almost impossible to
de-programme on a large scale so how can we get our memes in considering the
virulence of so many ideologies.

Regards

Jonathan

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Re: virus: Late submision for todays IRC discussion topic
« Reply #5 on: 2003-02-11 14:31:40 »

Ain't this the freegin truth.......?

Walter

Jonathan Davis wrote:

> <snip>

> I get the feeling that it is almost impossible to
> de-programme on a large scale so how can we get our memes in considering the
> virulence of so many ideologies.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>

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