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What is this stuff?

Whilst I am not a Christian, I think some respect for other people's
religions is in order. This is at best in very bad taste and at worst
downright cruel.

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Subject: RE: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS


> > Fuck you too, your shithead.  May you burn in hell
> > together with your lowlife fuckhead of a father
> >
> And fuck you, Caren, in your left ear and out your right nostril - and
> cornhole the Baby Jesus till he whimpers, moans and screams, then let
> him suck the risen dick like he would sacred Mommy Mary's tit until he
> fills his holy little mouth with blessed baby batter!
> >
> > --- Dylan Sunter <dylan.sunter@fisystem.com> wrote:
> > > Being a brit, i've never heard NPR, but would like
> > > to add my voice to the
> > > chorus of jesus fucking.
> > >
> > > Fuck the baby jesus and fuck the church of the
> > > unforgiving hoax up the ass.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-virus@lucifer.com
> > > [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
> > > Of athe nonrex
> > > Sent: 26 September 2002 08:44
> > > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > > Subject: Re: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
> > >
> > >
> > > NPR?
> > >
> > > what the fuck? that's like...the ONLY station that
> > > still plays
> > > classical. what the fuck? Fuck the baby jesus! Fuck
> > > him
> > > right in his ear!
> > >
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RE: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
« Reply #5 on: 2003-01-29 14:09:41 »
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In response to a 5 month old post, Caren Pretorius charmingly vomited all over the list:
Quote from: Caren Pretorius on 2003-01-29 12:48:25   
Fuck you [Hermit: Dylan] too, your shithead.  May you burn in hell together with your lowlife fuckhead of a father


Hermit comments:
"Hell" is a Christian invention, with the intention of terrifying the ignorant in order to reduce their rational resistance (by frightening them), and even to frighten people into swallowing the connected religion in the hope of avoiding the (invented) alternative  - while allowing those swallowing the myth to assert their imagined "superiority". The trouble with this approach is that it requires ignorant people to prey upon. You will not find many of that class here. Instead, your silly threats are seen for what they are, proof that you are carrying an irrational and prejudicial memeplex - that you have "swallowed" the baby jesus (or at least the myth), probably because you were terrified into it.
As for the inclusion of Dylan's father in your attempted, but empty threats, I'm sure that no matter how insane and vicious he is (and I have no reason to believe he is either), he cannot be nearly as insane or vicious as your gods - who, your myths claim, "sacrificed" his own son (who in a dramatic plot twist was also somehow himself) in order for him to be able to forgive the descendants of his own creartions, creations which he deliberately created with flaws and then lied to.  Of course, in another plot twist, it turned out that the supposed "sacrifce"wasn't one, as your myth asserts that your gods claim to be immortal. Perhaps this is why you believe that your gods are so unjust as to sentence people to an infinite period of torture for using their brains and rejecting the whole bizarre collection as being just so much bull shit. If you can persuade yourself that your religion can provide a good, or even sane, perspective on life, or even an example for humans to follow, I recommend you seek therapy rather than "Jesus". More religion will only make things worse for you.
Given that this forum is not a meeting place for Christians,  and given that the BBS is for the use of the members of the Church of Virus and those sharing our goals, you should not have been posting here. It is as if a member of the CoV had gone to your church one Sunday morning, to call the members names. How would your church react to that? Would you like to invite one of us to your Church so that we can find out?
So you see, you have our sympathy for the insane beliefs you profess to believe, our derision and laughter at your idea that your fuck-witted twittering about "hell" would concern us, our amusement at the fact that your reflexes are so slow, and our annoyance that you didn't have the manners to introduce yourself a little less aggresively.
The next stage is up to you. You might hang around here - read the BBS and maybe learn something. You might continue to post nonsense - and be flamed and then ignored for your pains. Or you could simply save us all a lot of time and simply fuck-off. We truly don't care what choice you make - and the threats you attempted to make and the manner in which you attempted to make them, together with your abuse of English, all strongly suggest that you are stupid and not worth us wasting valuable time on you. Unless, of course, you are very attractive and really are seeking a literal fuck. In which case I'm sure some of our members would be happy to oblige - no matter how stupid you are. But then you should have included a photograph (preferably nude) of yourself in your post.  Actually, thinking about some of our members, you might not even have to be all that attractive. If you have an anal fetish, you could try Joe Dees. But be daring. Be direct. Just say, "I want to be fucked over" rarther than hinting at it. Meanwhile, your myth, your hell, why don't you go there...

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RE: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
« Reply #6 on: 2003-01-29 14:16:38 »
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What on earth is happening to this list?

I'm getting these messages out of order... I'm getting threads that start
with RE: in which I never see the original message...


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« Reply #8 on: 2003-01-29 14:50:09 »
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Jonathan, how the hell can you expect anyone to "respect" anything about that bizarre (but not exceptionally so) mish-mash of borrowed stories and putrid "moral" interpretations which make up the Christian religion? It requires its adherents to renounce any hope of rationality. Which means that pretending to "respect" it, or the people who make such a choice, would be hypocrisy of the highest water. Most especially, we don't have to "respect" somebody doing that who also chooses to piss in our porringers. Actually, we don't have to "respect" people who piss in our porringers even if they haven't adopted the insane and historically harmful Christianity. And of course, we don't have to "respect" those who subscribe to other insane belief systems either...

Then again, if by "respect" you mean simply not going into their gathering places and being rude, I would suggest that this is not so much "respect" as basic ettiquette. Like not shitting in bed, this should be taught to all children before age 5. How many Virians do you think interrupt Christian forums to tell them to go to hell? None, I'm betting. Yet, judging by the number of Christians who visit the CoV and stink the place up, it seems that their parents tend to neglect this basic training. We probably can't teach such people manners - but we can probably teach them to "go potty" somewhere else. Yet another reason not to hang-back when it happens.

So save your angst for those who deserve it. Palestinians, Chechnyans, Kurds, Lebanese, White South African/Rhodesians, Disenfranchised Americans, Asian Ethiopians, Muslim Indians, Afghans and Iraqi all spring to mind. The list is a long one.

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I'm beginning to think that tolerance should be one of our ethics.

Hasn't the shock value of outright insults to religious figures faded yet?

unless you guys are just gonna play with Caren like a cat plays with a mouse before eating it, I really see no reason to simply bash the jesus myth and batter the ego of the devout, unless they are really, really asking for it. Caren's one sentence attack does not warrant it IMO.

We deserve a space that looks down upon religion as a socio/cultural behaviour to be studied, not as competition. When we as a group elevate ourselves (not as individuals as even those I dislike here are very capable thinkers and have elevated themselves above petty religious squabbles) to the level of scientific understanding that we don't take offence at the minor insults of the believer, but see them as a child exploring their boundries, and expressing their feelings. Unless there is a genuine threat to the CoV, I think it best that we look upon the religiously savaged as a group to be studied and learned about.

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> We deserve a space that looks down upon religion as a socio/cultural
behaviour to be studied, not as competition. When we as a group elevate
ourselves (not as individuals as even those I dislike here are very capable
thinkers and have elevated themselves above petty religious squabbles) to
the level of scientific understanding that we don't take offence at the
minor insults of the believer, but see them as a child exploring their
boundries, and expressing their feelings. Unless there is a genuine threat
to the CoV, I think it best that we look upon the religiously savaged as a
group to be studied and learned about.
>

Hear Hear!

As ancient chinese wisdom goes, "the wise learn more from fools than fools
from the wise."

It is _wise_ to not forget that!


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Amen, bro Roh!!!

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> I'm beginning to think that tolerance should be one of our ethics.
>
> Hasn't the shock value of outright insults to religious figures faded yet?
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> unless you guys are just gonna play with Caren like a cat plays with a mouse before eating it, I really see no reason to simply bash the jesus myth and batter the ego of the devout, unless they are really, really asking for it. Caren's one sentence attack does not warrant it IMO.
>
> We deserve a space that looks down upon religion as a socio/cultural behaviour to be studied, not as competition. When we as a group elevate ourselves (not as individuals as even those I dislike here are very capable thinkers and have elevated themselves above petty religious squabbles) to the level of scientific understanding that we don't take offence at the minor insults of the believer, but see them as a child exploring their boundries, and expressing their feelings. Unless there is a genuine threat to the CoV, I think it best that we look upon the religiously savaged as a group to be studied and learned about.
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Re: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
« Reply #12 on: 2003-01-30 02:55:37 »
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...i dont know about that jonathan...why should we "respect" a hallucinatory
fantasy world that all but forces everyone else to participate in it's
consensual brain fart?  sit down and think of the horrid crap that we have
witnessed in the past, shall in the future and go through every day because
of this thing called christianity.  somehow i dont think any "respect" is
called for at all...to the contrary in fact.


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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jonathan Davis" <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: Re: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:34:47 -0000

What is this stuff?

Whilst I am not a Christian, I think some respect for other people's
religions is in order. This is at best in very bad taste and at worst
downright cruel.

Regards

Jonathan


----- Original Message -----
From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:01 PM
Subject: RE: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS


> > Fuck you too, your shithead.  May you burn in hell
> > together with your lowlife fuckhead of a father
> >
> And fuck you, Caren, in your left ear and out your right nostril - and
> cornhole the Baby Jesus till he whimpers, moans and screams, then let
> him suck the risen dick like he would sacred Mommy Mary's tit until he
> fills his holy little mouth with blessed baby batter!
> >
> > --- Dylan Sunter <dylan.sunter@fisystem.com> wrote:
> > > Being a brit, i've never heard NPR, but would like
> > > to add my voice to the
> > > chorus of jesus fucking.
> > >
> > > Fuck the baby jesus and fuck the church of the
> > > unforgiving hoax up the ass.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-virus@lucifer.com
> > > [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
> > > Of athe nonrex
> > > Sent: 26 September 2002 08:44
> > > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > > Subject: Re: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
> > >
> > >
> > > NPR?
> > >
> > > what the fuck? that's like...the ONLY station that
> > > still plays
> > > classical. what the fuck? Fuck the baby jesus! Fuck
> > > him
> > > right in his ear!
> > >
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« Reply #13 on: 2003-01-30 05:31:23 »
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I agree wholeheartedly with you Sebby. What I was trying to communicate was
not so much respect for a given religion per se, but rather respect for
whatever people hold sacred.

One of the mottos I live by is  "Never squander what to others are riches".
This is what informs my attitude. Antagonizing Christians for its own sake
is pointless. Even at a strictly tactical level, it makes no sense to enrage
people and earn their enmity for no reason other than a very puerile giggle.

This baby Jesus stuff is not cutting edge iconoclasm, it is schoolyard shock
mongering, and in my view unbecoming of a list like ours.

That said, reading fleetingly (as I delete) the posts in the renewed flame
war, nothing is too low for us now.

I might as well admit to one other odd emotion. I was happy to see life in
the old list. I was happy to see names in the inbox like Hermit and Bill
Roh. I miss those people and I am still holding out for a return to the
golden age of the CoV.

I would almost prefer an perpetual flame war interspersed with nuggets of
illumination and quality scholarship, than the slow death that threatened
this list last year.

I would at this point also like to say thank you to some of those members
who have over the last few months kept this list alive. The scheduled chats,
the quality discussions, the images of the heavens, the essays and analyses.
You know who you are, thank you all very much.

Regards

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr Sebby" <drsebby@hotmail.com>
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS


>
> ...i dont know about that jonathan...why should we "respect" a
hallucinatory
> fantasy world that all but forces everyone else to participate in it's
> consensual brain fart?  sit down and think of the horrid crap that we have
> witnessed in the past, shall in the future and go through every day
because
> of this thing called christianity.  somehow i dont think any "respect" is
> called for at all...to the contrary in fact.
>
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Jonathan Davis" <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Subject: Re: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:34:47 -0000
>
> What is this stuff?
>
> Whilst I am not a Christian, I think some respect for other people's
> religions is in order. This is at best in very bad taste and at worst
> downright cruel.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:01 PM
> Subject: RE: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
>
>
>  > > Fuck you too, your shithead.  May you burn in hell
>  > > together with your lowlife fuckhead of a father
>  > >
>  > And fuck you, Caren, in your left ear and out your right nostril - and
>  > cornhole the Baby Jesus till he whimpers, moans and screams, then let
>  > him suck the risen dick like he would sacred Mommy Mary's tit until he
>  > fills his holy little mouth with blessed baby batter!
>  > >
>  > > --- Dylan Sunter <dylan.sunter@fisystem.com> wrote:
>  > > > Being a brit, i've never heard NPR, but would like
>  > > > to add my voice to the
>  > > > chorus of jesus fucking.
>  > > >
>  > > > Fuck the baby jesus and fuck the church of the
>  > > > unforgiving hoax up the ass.
>  > > >
>  > > > -----Original Message-----
>  > > > From: owner-virus@lucifer.com
>  > > > [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
>  > > > Of athe nonrex
>  > > > Sent: 26 September 2002 08:44
>  > > > To: virus@lucifer.com
>  > > > Subject: Re: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > NPR?
>  > > >
>  > > > what the fuck? that's like...the ONLY station that
>  > > > still plays
>  > > > classical. what the fuck? Fuck the baby jesus! Fuck
>  > > > him
>  > > > right in his ear!
>  > > >
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RE: virus: FUCK THE BABY JESUS
« Reply #14 on: 2003-01-30 06:04:21 »
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"I agree wholeheartedly with you Sebby. What I was trying to communicate was not so much respect for a given religion per se, but rather respect for whatever people hold sacred."

Hmmm. Religion is, at the end of the day, nothing more than an ideology though. We wouldn't consider being respectful towards nazism or communism. I wouldn't wish to push that parallel too far (for fear of Godwin's law if nothing else), but it does make the point that freedom of enquiry should always trump religious respect.  I'd cite the example of the recent protests here that read out the last poem prosecuted under the UK's blasphemy laws. Religions do tend to regard themselves as being above criticism and always cite respect to avoid the kind of criticism any other ideology would expect.

Not that any of this applies to this thread of course, which was puerile to say the least.


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the old list. I was happy to see names in the inbox like Hermit and Bill
Roh. I miss those people and I am still holding out for a return to the
golden age of the CoV. I would almost prefer an perpetual flame war interspersed with nuggets of illumination and quality scholarship, than the slow death that threatened this list last year.

I would at this point also like to say thank you to some of those members
who have over the last few months kept this list alive. The scheduled chats,
the quality discussions, the images of the heavens, the essays and analyses.
You know who you are, thank you all very much."

Cheerfully seconded in all respects.
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