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Here is a New Scientist article on this topic

First speed of gravity measurement revealed
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993232


And here is an MSN article.

First test of gravity’s speed upholds Einstein
http://www.msnbc.com/news/856046.asp?0bl=-0


An interesting part:

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Kopeikin said the observation sheds light on one of the last unsettled fundamental constants of physics — and could play a role in the continuing quest to develop a "theory of everything” that unites gravitational theory and quantum mechanics.
      “Our measurement puts some strong limits on the theories that propose extra dimensions, such as superstring theory and brane theories,” he said. “Knowing the speed of gravity can provide an important test of the existence and compactness of these extra dimensions.”
      Commenting on the research, University of Washington cosmologist Craig Hogan said it was almost a given among mainstream theorists that the speed of gravity should equal the speed of light. But he agreed that the experiment would be useful in plotting the future course for extradimensional physics. “The frontiers of physics are very much concerned with small departures from Einstein’s theories of space and time and gravity,” he said.
      Not all physicists are convinced that the results truly measured the propagation speed, however. In Astrophysical Journal Letters, Japanese physicist Hideki Asada argued that the experiment actually measured the speed of light rather than the speed of gravity.

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A followup on the measurement of the speed of gravity. Some scientist argue that what was actually measured was not really the speed of gravity.


Critics weigh in over speed of gravity
New Scientist, Jan 17, 2003
 
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993282

Scientists who announced a landmark first measurement of the speed of gravity on 7 January are fighting back against criticism that their experiment mistakenly measured only the speed of light.

Einstein's general theory of relativity assumes that the force of gravity propagates at the speed of light. However, some exotic modern theories suggest it could travel more quickly.

Measuring the speed of gravity seemed impossible with current technology but, by reworking Einstein's equations, Sergei Kopeikin of the University of Missouri in Columbia came up with an experiment.

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But Clifford Will of Washington University in St Louis, an expert on experimental tests of general relativity, says Kopeikin's reasoning is flawed. Will's own calculations suggest that if the speed of gravity was different from the speed of light, by any amount, that would not create a detectable alteration in the time delay for radio signals passing Jupiter.

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But Kopeikin is sticking to his guns. In a letter to Will and The Astrophysical Journal, he says Will is mistaken in using a common static approximation for Jupiter's changing gravitational field. Kopeikin says his own dynamical description of the field, developed in 1999 at the University of Jena in Germany, is more exact.

Will counters that Kopeikin and Fomalont misunderstand his criticism. "I remain convinced that their experiment is not sensitive to the speed of gravity, and that my calculation demonstrates it conclusively," he says.

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