logo Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register.
2024-04-26 23:56:33 CoV Wiki
Learn more about the Church of Virus
Home Help Search Login Register
News: Read the first edition of the Ideohazard

  Church of Virus BBS
  General
  Humor & Satire

  A Haskell Lover's Plea
« previous next »
Pages: [1] Reply Notify of replies Send the topic Print 
   Author  Topic: A Haskell Lover's Plea  (Read 968 times)
Bohandez
Magister
**

Gender: Male
Posts: 38
Reputation: 6.06
Rate Bohandez



REALITY CHECKS NEVER BOUNCE

View Profile
A Haskell Lover's Plea
« on: 2010-04-11 01:04:03 »
Reply with quote

A nice poem for functional programming lovers!

Original Source:
http://gernot-heiser.org/~chak/haskell-poem.html

A Haskell Lover's Plea

Why should I renounce for you, dear Haskell,
My much yearned for side-effects?
Why should I face the software dragons
Without my weapon, my manly spear of destruction?
They call you non-strict, oh so elegant and pure Ariel.
Yet side-effect celibacy is surely severe.

  Your flesh is too weak, you brutish beast.
  The tarpit demons of software hell await you!
  This sinful habit in which you indulge
  Does more harm than good.
  Restrain yourself! And you too will see
  The wondrous and refined joys of referential transparency!



Alas, I can do without goto, without call/cc.
But sans side-effects, I am lost and forlorn, can't you see?
Oh, lady fairer yet than admirable Miranda (tm),
Scheme's prolix, parenthetical tedium
Is no match for your elegant syntax. What's more,
Your list comprehensions outshine even Prolog for sure...

    Ah, flatter me not, you low-spirited Caliban!
    Do you not know what advantages await
    Those who renounce destructive update?
    Start with an immaculate high-level specification,
    Throw in some algebraic code transformation.
    Soon you will have a provably correct and maintainable implementation.


Show mercy on mere mortals like me!
How I dream still of the efficient pleasures of pointer manipulation!
How I too wish to mutate memory with thoughts born of von Neumann earthiness!
Relent! Relent! Let me have my assignment, my printf, my gensym.
Let me fulfill my destructive impulses.
Let me set bang. Let me update. Let me assign. Let me mutate.

    Fear not, lowly beast, I have heard your pleas.
    To satisfy your low-level desire
    I'll give you monads, linear types, MADTs,
    Even single-threaded polymorphic lambda calculi.
    My beauty may suffer, still I will aspire
    To let you do (within typeful limits) what you please.


Rejoice!  Rejoice!  I'm free! I'm free!
The best of both worlds is mine at last.
Oh, infinite progeny of Church, Hope, and ML,
I curry favor not when I say:
Scan me right, fold me left,
Lazy lady of many shapes, you've got class.


This poem is from Don Smith (DonaldAlan@excite.com) and was distributed via the Haskell mailing list.
Report to moderator   Logged
David Lucifer
Archon
*****

Posts: 2642
Reputation: 8.94
Rate David Lucifer



Enlighten me.

View Profile WWW E-Mail
Re:A Haskell Lover's Plea
« Reply #1 on: 2010-04-16 15:27:12 »
Reply with quote

Quite brilliant. Is Bohandez a functional programming lover?
Report to moderator   Logged
Bohandez
Magister
**

Gender: Male
Posts: 38
Reputation: 6.06
Rate Bohandez



REALITY CHECKS NEVER BOUNCE

View Profile
Re:A Haskell Lover's Plea
« Reply #2 on: 2010-04-23 06:39:11 »
Reply with quote

Well, kind of yes, but because I'm still a Haskell virgin
Written just few lines and still studying the basics of functional programming.

My first impression was negative when I saw the syntax (and I immediately tossed it away), but after "giving it a try" and after finally figuring out what exactly "side effects" mean, I fell in love...

It's quite funny, because I tried to understand the idea behind the functional programming by reading an article in MSDN which was using F# for the examples, and I didn't liked F# so I turned my attention back to Haskell...

Now I'm trying to grok monads, but It's hard... My mind was poisoned by the imperative ... - Bhdz
Report to moderator   Logged
David Lucifer
Archon
*****

Posts: 2642
Reputation: 8.94
Rate David Lucifer



Enlighten me.

View Profile WWW E-Mail
Re:A Haskell Lover's Plea
« Reply #3 on: 2010-04-24 14:50:53 »
Reply with quote

I can't claim to understand monads either but his might help... Monads for Java/C++ programmers
Report to moderator   Logged
Bohandez
Magister
**

Gender: Male
Posts: 38
Reputation: 6.06
Rate Bohandez



REALITY CHECKS NEVER BOUNCE

View Profile
Re:A Haskell Lover's Plea
« Reply #4 on: 2010-04-25 12:40:14 »
Reply with quote

I wonder why they chose the word monad... Truly mystical
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(Gnosticism)

EDIT:
Damn it! I'm infected...
I started reading further into the gnostics myths about their Monad (or the one true diety that emanates other stuff) and I lost quite a few hours studying the gospel of Thomas, wikipedia articles, differences of monads and dyads, the poor "evil" Demiurge that does not know about the Monad and the light, Sophia and her blunder to "copulate" with herself producing the flawed Demiurge, and so on...

Some of the stuff makes sense...
As in "simulated reality" hypothesis...

For instance the Demiurge should be the lonely cast out super duper programmer hacker that uses his own memes to produce environment for his own "creations" trapping bits of "the light" ('0' & '1' that comes from the Monad) inside the environment (physical universe). The Monad itself should be the ineffable stuff that is intelligence, matter and energy...

And this religion totally solves the problem of Evil by saying "It's not your fault, it's the Creator's fault! 'cause he is trapped&shit..."

Pff... I'm dizzy and exhausted...
I'm gonna watch some Daniel Dennett's "Darwin's dangerous idea" series to calm my freaking brain and sleep because I gotta work....
Damn...

« Last Edit: 2010-04-25 15:19:03 by Bohandez » Report to moderator   Logged
Fritz
Archon
*****

Gender: Male
Posts: 1746
Reputation: 8.84
Rate Fritz





View Profile WWW E-Mail
Re:A Haskell Lover's Plea
« Reply #5 on: 2010-04-25 17:33:27 »
Reply with quote

Cool a new idea inserted into my aging brain .... wasn't Fortran 77 on RSX-11 "functional"  ? ... I know 'aging smart ass'.... enjoying the esoteric 'techno-memed' thoughts on CoV. Thx

Cheers

Fritz


Wiki on Liebniz

<snip>
The monads

Leibniz's best known contribution to metaphysics is his theory of monads, as exposited in Monadologie. Monads are to the metaphysical realm what atoms are to the physical/phenomenal.[citation needed] They can also be compared to the corpuscles of the Mechanical Philosophy of René Descartes and others. Monads are the ultimate elements of the universe. The monads are "substantial forms of being" with the following properties: they are eternal, indecomposable, individual, subject to their own laws, un-interacting, and each reflecting the entire universe in a pre-established harmony (a historically important example of panpsychism). Monads are centers of force; substance is force, while space, matter, and motion are merely phenomenal.

The ontological essence of a monad is its irreducible simplicity. Unlike atoms, monads possess no material or spatial character. They also differ from atoms by their complete mutual independence, so that interactions among monads are only apparent. Instead, by virtue of the principle of pre-established harmony, each monad follows a preprogrammed set of "instructions" peculiar to itself, so that a monad "knows" what to do at each moment. (These "instructions" may be seen as analogs of the scientific laws governing subatomic particles.) By virtue of these intrinsic instructions, each monad is like a little mirror of the universe. Monads need not be "small"; e.g., each human being constitutes a monad, in which case free will is problematic. God, too, is a monad, and the existence of God can be inferred from the harmony prevailing among all other monads; God wills the pre-established harmony.

Monads are purported to having gotten rid of the problematic:

    * Interaction between mind and matter arising in the system of Descartes;
    * Lack of individuation inherent to the system of Spinoza, which represents individual creatures as merely accidental.


The monadology was thought arbitrary, even eccentric, in Leibniz's day and since.<snip>

Report to moderator   Logged

Where there is the necessary technical skill to move mountains, there is no need for the faith that moves mountains -anon-
Pages: [1] Reply Notify of replies Send the topic Print 
Jump to:


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Church of Virus BBS | Powered by YaBB SE
© 2001-2002, YaBB SE Dev Team. All Rights Reserved.

Please support the CoV.
Valid HTML 4.01! Valid CSS! RSS feed