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Looks like the Jesuits don’t convert all the Native Canadians
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A somewhat different perspective on the Catholic Church and Canada, then usually portrayed in the news.

[below]<snip>"We don’t share their cosmogony."<snip>



What is “ecclesiastical tyranny”?  It
is raw colonialism and terrorism,
plain and simple!

Read on for another dilly by Kahentinetha Horn: 

MNN.  Nov. 24, 2007.  On Friday, November 23, 2007, a
hearing was held in Montreal .  A Mohawk had been
fired the year before by the Sulpician Order because
he was a Mohawk.  Little did they know, he was a very
quiet, reliable and hard working guy.  It took the
Sulpicians more than a year to cook up a case against
him.  While they were busy plotting, he quietly sold
rosaries and crucifixes to the multi-national clientele
that come into the shop at Notre Dame Basilica in Old
Montreal .  This is where they sent him to get him out
of the way.  Too bad for them, the bad old days are gone. 
Quebec employees have some laws to protect them.
Once the church cobbled together some charges, they
had to deal with a union.     

The church witnesses eagerly stated that, “We are afraid
of Mohawks.  They are violent and associated with
organized crime”.  Never mind that the Mohawk defendant
had no criminal record and no association with any known
criminals.  The church expects divine intervention even if it
has to co-opt people with delusional fantasies to get its way.

This tactic is not new.  It harkens right back to Samuel de
Champlain’s first encounter with the Kanienkehaka, the
people of the flint.  Without so much as pausing for a
“howdy do”, or “by your leave”, he marched onto our
land on Lake Champlain and shot our chiefs the moment
he saw them.  Then, he  embarked on three genocidal
campaigns hoping to kill every Mohawk.  They made up
crazy stories about us to justify their actions.  It’s been
going on ever since. [This is “organized crime”!] The
subconscious of French-Canadian ecclesiastical and
military power has a tremendous animosity towards the
Mohawks.  They have always tried to eliminate us.  They
pretend they have a right to be here and that we don’t exist.       
The defendant brought a female elder from his community
to sit in on the hearings.  She sat beside him.  Even though
the hearing was taking place on Mohawk land and involved
allegations against the Mohawks, everything took place in
French.  None of the proper formalities were observed.  The
“Ahenton kariwatekwen” was not recited.  There was no
“condolence ceremony” as would have been proper in an
intercultural meeting.  The elder decided to observe the
proceedings and show her joyful enthusiastic good nature
by smiling and showing good will to everyone.  She never
spoke or made any other gestures throughout the day.

Eventually, the church witnesses became so agitated by
her smile that the arbitrator tried to claim that her presence
was disrupting the somber atmosphere.  “Why are you
staring at the witnesses?” he asked.

She replied, “Everyone is observing the proceedings”.
The arbitrator wanted to put the woman elder in the far
corner of the room, like a child, so no one could see her
watching what went on.  The reason why they did not want
an outside observer was obvious.  As the day wore on, the
witnesses were finding it more and more difficult to think
up things that would make their victim look bad.   

A young man who worked as a janitor for the church,
before moving to Ontario , was flown in for the day.  The
poor guy was suffering from delusions, “I feared for my
life”, he stated as his face twitched and sweat poured down
his brow.    He described an incident that happened in Verdun ,
a municipality of Montreal .  He said that the defendant had
driven by him on his bike on a bike path, heading back into
Old Montreal to the church, at around 6:25 pm.  He claims to
have heard the defendant say, “You’re next, you little fuck!”

The problem with this story is that, one, the defendant is not
in the habit of using that kind of language.  Two, whoops!!
There are many witnesses who can prove the defendant
was still at work selling rosaries at 6:05 pm on that very day.
Maybe it was a doppleganger!  This hearing proved
something for sure.  Prejudice and dangerous delusional
fantasies about the Kanienkehaka [Mohawk] continue to run
rampant in Quebec , just as they did on the day of our first
meeting with Champlain and his French troops. These people
could sure use an exorcist real quick, or what!

A pall of darkness descended into the room.  It was like going
back to the middle ages in Europe .  The Sulpicians, who
believe that Louis XIV gave them our land in 1663, have been
running what they call a “civilized community” for 350 years. 
It’s like going into the mausoleum, opening the creaking doors
and removing the cobwebs out of these decadent decrepit
buildings in Montreal .  They are now empty and a relic of a
bygone era in Quebec history when the church had absolute
control over the minds of the French-Canadians.  We thought
they had been set free from this oppression.  This hearing gives
us serious cause for concern.  School children in Montreal are
still being taught geography as if we do not exist.  This makes
it difficult for us to receive justice.

We hope this hearing is the last gasp of the church to maintain
control over the people who were trying to eliminate us 400
years ago.  They will never crush the Mohawks.  At some level,
the Sulpicians know this.

The presence of a single elderly Mohawk woman made them
nervous, especially since she was smiling.  She learned her
friendly attitude from her ancestors.  The Iroquois always
presented themselves to people in a cordial peaceful manner.
This is why they are considered the masters of diplomacy.
This goes against church hierarchy which operates on
intimidation and domination.  If this doesn’t work, they become

The Sulpicians are represented by a lawyer from one of the
most powerful, influential law firms in Canada , Heenan Blaikie.
This firm is dominated by former prime ministers like Pierre
Trudeau and Jean Chretien who are prominently displayed
on their letterheads.  Heenan Blaikie is always trying to dominate
and control the Mohawks who have been constantly disputing
Canada ’s claim to our lands.  They say Louis XIV gave it to them.
They can’t explain how it was Louis’ to give.  We never give up
our land and they know that.  The Sulpicians’ history of attempting
to oppress the Mohawks at Kanehsatake is long and dirty.
Heenan Blaikie not only represent the Sulpicians, but Canada
hired Heenan Blaikie to represent the Kahehsatake Mohawks
in the land claims negotiations that are currently taking place.
They sit on both sides.

The Supreme Court says aboriginal rights are sui generis.  We
guess Heenan Blaikie think this means we are in a class of our
own and normal professional “conflict of interest” rules don’t

Boards of directors, outside accounting and law firms, bankers
and brokers, provincial and federal regulatory agencies and
legislators are either inert or complicit in this double dealing. 

From the farce that took place at the Montreal hearing, the
Sulpicians has a lust for power that corrupts absolutely.  The
catholic church hierarchical system is the model for the colonial
“pecking order.  This is where the higher ups gobble those under

Bertrand Russell said, “Power is a drug, the desire for which
increases with habit”.  Those who achieve the top rung of the
hierarchy begin to believe that their rapacious oppression is
normal in an abnormal world.  To do this, they have to control
the money, the police, the army, the politics and the economy. 

The church could not control all the players in the hearing.  They
wanted conformity, suppression and obedience.  They became
uncomfortable because they could not exercise their
“ecclesiastical tyranny”.  They could not threaten us that we
would go to hell.  We don’t share their cosmogony.

A spark of light can displace darkness.  For Mohawks, the love
of freedom and our belief in human equality permeates our love
of our people.  We all want to be free, to have children, to have
a home, to love and be loved.

When lies face the truth, the truth wins.  If they can’t see it now,
people will look back on this as a very “dark age” indeed.   

Kahentinetha Horn
MNN Mohawk Nation News

See: “Colonialism”

// November 27, 2007 at 10:10 am
sassy…..kahentinetha only sent this article along so hopefully they’ll be a follow up. and yes, it is funny in a way , i mean, it sounds like a bunch of school kids. may god be with you 
900, it’s strange what fantasy land will do to some. perhaps we’ll see a new christian theme park complete with house of horrors that include a bunch of non-white people, and the ladder to hell

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