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Message to Agnostic Pope
« on: 2005-11-27 14:36:29 »
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This was a letter to Agnostic Church on late November 2005. mailto: pope@agnostic.org

Reference to the bible-  http://www.agnostic.org/httoc.htm

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First off: I understand completely if you can't read this whole
email, and are too busy with other things. I'm saving the text I send you
and will place it in the Virus church's forum in short time. I wanted
to give you the first taste.

Due to a busy schedule of work and study, it's difficutl for me to go
through the entire bible immediately, and I wnat to give my
compliments before I finish- just because it could take some time.

You show an ambitious goal that's near resolution, and I hope to see
it complete soon. I'm delighted with what I see so far, and I'd be
happy to help as well. The agnostic church and the Virus church are
wonderful sister religions that would agree with one another perhaps
like Evangelists and Newborns under Christianity.

The Virus Church is to me an aggressive strand of Agnosticism. The
group that works to convert others (which unfortunately seems
necessary, because too many other religions set out to coerce /
convert everyone that would potentially be an agnostic), while
Agnosticism is the group to serve as its foundation without waging a
war.

I feel it necessary to connect with this church, and even "convert"
myself in any legal way I could because I've taken a habit to openly
naming myself Agnostic and this is soon affecting my career. I work
at (place withheld on forum, sorry) Christian Minisitry if that explains it.

Some thoughts if I'm not being presumptuous and it's already written
about where I haven't read-

*The original author: Unfortunately, I think there is already an
authoritative first prophet by which the term "Agnosticism" did not
exist before this author, though he may not have called himself a
first prophet. I saw the book in, of all places, a library in a
Christian college, in a very old manuscript (material for them to
hold from us, I guess?) I'll check into it as immediately as
possible. The only clear memory I have is how he likens religious
people to foxes having tails. And him being a fox without a tail,
created Agnosticism by which he might have one. I checked the
internet to see if it's there and I find nothing, until I can name
the author directly. I know the wording of the book implies it's written around 1900.

*I didn't yet read anything about the doctrine by which someone might
become a priest / elder / tribe leader, etc. to the Agnostic Church.
It might be prudent to write one, but I'll see if ithere is. I'd also
stress that such mebers should probably require a degree in
philosophy logic. Someone trained to thoroughly argue just about
anything both in deduction and in attitude. Surely, this is a religion founded on intelligence, not
blind faith.

*Is there any way I can haste along those parts of the bible with
"XXXXXX" lines? The latest date I see in the bible is 1999 and thus 6
years is a long time to wait. I can only imagine the huge
workload you've taken (I'll bet, workload on top of what you already
need to fulfill to pay the bills).

*Before coming to the sun symbol for Agnostic faith, I suggest
looking into various mathematical constructs and resolving what
mathematicians consider a most "perfect" shape. Many groups adopt the
yin-yang, simply because it seems to contain a wisdom in terms of
balance, which is certainly not patent pending to Taoism or the
I-Ching. One group comes to mind which uses such a symbol and holds similar beliefs: www.technocracy.org - I can contact them in person quite easily where I am, if you like. I admit, though, they don't seem to have all their bolts on. More cultish than scientiffic.

*More work could be sought in thorough explanation of a symbol following the same thorough reasoning that determined principals of Agnostic faith. I have to admit: When you
mentioned the sun, I did envision a hexagon of triangles encircling
one another, and determining a mathematical perfection in it because
equidistant triangles can be used to make a hexagon, and a hexagon is
the only (perfectly formed? Something like that) shape, other than the square and
equidistant triangle, that forms an infinite graph of the same shape
in all directions without gaps. It's also the basic shape formed by
crystallizing water! (ice) - considered the most universal substance
to living things.

*The Church of Gaia, http://www.geocities.com/~gaiachurch/ to me, seems like another wonderful ally to the
Virus church and Agnostic chuirch. Reason being, the church of Gaia
does not literally believe in the ancient greek God Gaia, but the
underlying principal that there's an intelligence in nature that's
been overlooked in Western culture. You stated in your bible a
companionship with environmentalists and Agnostics. the Church of
Gaia makes an excellent literal example of such environmentalists.

*Is there a day of the year that can best represent this Church as
well? I'm appalled by the fact that Christianity has taken old
contexts such as Shamhaign and the Druid Tree Festival and
bastardized them into alternates such as Christ - mass, and Halloween
(an evil taint to a once unprovable but innocent belief in communion with the
dead).

*Although Agnosticism is serious about ignoring the damned claims to
miracles without physical evidence, it is possible Agnosticism can be
on the forefront of scientiffic basis for what seems very miraculous.
I recommend a great place to start is Dr. Mercola's research (you've
probably seen it) on water crystals in response to thought. I still
want to see how this evidence could have been staged or crudely falsified.
I'm also curious if the evidence is there of the "remote viewing" the
government has supposedly trained soldiers to do. Then there's the mysteries of telleportation (using an atom's super-position) and time travel (wormholes), or crop circles. I admit I delve without any scientiffic procedure so I don't insist I haven't been caught into hoaxes.

*I don't think it's out of the question to determine ceremony and
personal experiences (or retreats) in the faith of Agnosticism. These
wouldn't necessarily be pure mandatory activities (or to call someone
a "sinner" by not performing them) but human experience is of course
the foundation of our understanding. What can be scientiffically
reasoned to open a person's awareness to greater, wisdom (which I
consider secular in all cases)? I hope that question opens a huge can
of worms. I know one life coaching retreat I took made us really take a look at ourselves and our abilities- with a very secular edge.

*Perhaps what sways people to more traditional religions rather than
logical religions is that there is something to be said for words of
swift justice and love to those deserving in need. Atheism and Agnosticism need
to show reasoning, rather than blind faith with ridiculous stories such as "do it because the purple dinosaur loves you and wants you to." But it can still cater to those deep emotional cravings to show people plainly that Agnostics want to see strong justice and loving sanctuary the same way that Christians boast about Heaven and the Wrath of God. (Christianity is just my example post).

*This may be slipping off of relevance to Agnosticism, but the beast
of Christendom is actually a part of Revelations in the Christian
bible. Funny- how all these Christians supposedly study the bible
like the back of their hand, and they forget that the book itself
slanders the idea of an organization under the Christian brand. Why
not call them on it for our needed arsenal?

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I certainly hope this contributes something to your progress rather than waste your time. But thanks for reading what you could.

With heartful and resolute support, (name and phone number withheld for this post -- sorry)

Thoughts?



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Re:Message to Agnostic Pope
« Reply #1 on: 2005-11-28 19:41:09 »
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Quote from: gaiaguerrilla on 2005-11-27 14:36:29   
*The original author: Unfortunately, I think there is already an
authoritative first prophet by which the term "Agnosticism" did not
exist before this author, though he may not have called himself a
first prophet. I saw the book in, of all places, a library in a
Christian college, in a very old manuscript (material for them to
hold from us, I guess?) I'll check into it as immediately as
possible. The only clear memory I have is how he likens religious
people to foxes having tails. And him being a fox without a tail,
created Agnosticism by which he might have one. I checked the
internet to see if it's there and I find nothing, until I can name
the author directly. I know the wording of the book implies it's written around 1900.


I think the name you are looking for is T.H.Huxley, the coiner of the term agnosticism.

Bill Schultz is probably already familiar with the CoV. I was an internet infidel too, and hosted Bill's site on my (this) server (along with the Secular Web) for many years.
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