It's obvious as we look around us that theism is a popular meme. Probably all of you have friends who are theists, and most of you probably have friends who are weekly church-goers. Many of you are likely theists yourselves. But why? Why religion? Why believe in the first place? Why do most people on the earth believe in a supreme being of some sort, especially one who fails to manifest himself to us?
The easiest answer is that most people were born into a religion of some sort and simply raised to be Catholics, or Hindus, or Muslims. In many cases they're taught not to question their beliefs--"blind faith" is the standard. Also, there are great social pressures to conform religiously.
Churches give us a feeling of community, and of friendship and support. Commercial sectors, the ease of travel, commuting, and a variety of other factors have all but destroyed the local neighborhood's value as a strong community. Organized religion fills that gap. It gives us a feeling that we belong; it gives us friends and leaders who we can look up to, and who we can rely on when times are hard. When living in an area where there exists a dominant faith, a person with differing beliefs can feel left out and even shunned. Many even convert to the dominant religion simply out of convenience.
But these are rather superficial answers, and concentrate more on a particular church than on a belief in God itself. There are many who believe in God but do not attend any particular church. There are likewise many who currently hold beliefs strikingly dissimilar to those with which they were raised--atheists who have become Christians, Christians who have become atheists, members raised in one Christian sect who are now members of another, or members of one religion who have now joined another or abandoned organized religion as a whole. But what makes these people believe? What evidence is there that God really exists?
For many people, simply looking at the world around us denotes that there is a God. Looking at the beauty of a sunset, or the complexity of the universe, or examining the astronomical odds that intelligent life could have arisen by mere chance, gives many people the overwhelming feeling that "something bigger" must be out there. Perhaps this feeling is why almost every culture on the planet has, at one time or another, developed a creation story--their explanation of how life came to be as it is today. Normally featured is some sort of external intelligence, a being who "created" the world, a person identified as God or one of the gods. This idea, that the complexity and intricacy of the universe implies a creator, is usually called the "Argument from Design"--and, of course, there exist many good, logical arguments against it.1 At the very least, the Argument from Design does not explain to us the nature of the Creator or whether, indeed, he continues to have any influence in our world.
But it is not my intention to attempt (futilely, I might add) to prove or disprove the existence of Deity, hence I will not spend my time debating the worth of various points. I merely would like to point out some of the reasons I see why people believe in God.
Another common thread among theists is some sort of belief in a continuation of life. Some believe that we existed in some form before we were born on this earth. Almost all believe that life will continue in some form after we die. Many believe in an "immortal soul", i.e. that our "I"--our "self", our consciousness--will in some form continue living forever. This belief probably arises from some sort of intuitive feeling of other lives, either before this one or after.
Critics might say that this "feeling" is simply a response to the evolutionary pressures of survival--our brains have this innate, genetically-coded need to survive, and hence we've invented a philosophy that will allow us to "survive" even after our death. Others point out that the concept of an "afterlife" was likely invented to explain the appearance of deceased relatives in dreams (often leading to the common practice of ancestor-worship). These theories would easily explain why the doctrine of the immortal soul is so widespread. However, it is just as likely that the different cultures did not develop this idea independently; perhaps they did all have the same origin. For example, many cultures in the world also have some sort of "flood" story. It seems more likely to me that these stories originated from a single source (perhaps divine, perhaps simply an actual "great flood" that did occur in history), than that the different cultures simply developed them independently. Likewise the yearning for immortality may perhaps have a divine source. (Or it could spring from thoughts implanted in us by the aliens who deposited us on this planet.)2
But the single strongest reason, I feel, for believing in God, comes from personal experience. (It also seems to be the only major reason (apart from social pressures or convenience) for changing religions.) Many people feel that God is watching out for them--they've discovered blessings in their lives because of keeping God's commandments, for example, or perhaps they've received powerful answers to prayers. They've heard voices of warning or had feelings of premonition, cautioning them against danger. They've had feelings of peace or happiness as they go to church or read the scriptures. Others have had other inexplicable, incommunicable "religious experiences". Some have even seen miracles, such as healing the sick or raising the dead. Some people experience miraculous visions, or have prophetic dreams. Perhaps words are given or ideas suddenly appear from an unknown source--a person says something or does something spectacular and admits that it felt as if "something (or someone) else" was working through him.
Such personal experiences are commonly found throughout the religious community. I've noticed myself that of the atheists I've known, most of them are atheists due to a complete lack of any such experiences or "evidences" of God's existence. Conversely, most of the strong theists I know have had many such experiences. Some rely almost wholly on the experiences of others, but even with such, they've experienced some little "evidences" of their own.
Perhaps the theists are just deluded or feigning these experiences. Perhaps the atheists have many such experiences but they choose to ignore them. Honestly, I don't really know. It seems likely to me that, truly, the theists do experience such things just as factually as the atheists don't.
But this brings up a very good question. Why not religion? Faced with this vast majority of theists, why not believe? What are potential problems with believing?
Why Not Religion?
As I mentioned above, the biggest problem seems to be a simple lack of evidence. Some people receive no answers to prayers, they see hoaxes instead of miracles, and when trying to adhere to some religious creed they end up more miserable than happy and peaceful. Another great hinderance is the sheer number of religions. The biggest problem with these "personal experiences" is that they don't seem to be limited to a particular sect or even a particular religion. I'm not sure if atheists themselves have ever heard "voices of warning" or had "feelings of premonition" and simply have some other explanation for them--but certainly worshipers in dissimilar faiths have had such experiences. When it comes to "prophetic dreams and visions," you even find contradictions among this vast sea of religion.
This is probably the biggest obstacle: in the quivering mass of contradicting religions (many even contradicting themselves), how is one supposed to find the truth? (As an aside, my recommendation is: pray to find the truth. God will lead you to it. If he doesn't, well, that's one heck of an excuse to use at Judgement Day. Just make certain you're prepared to follow him if he does lead you to it.)
Another phenomenon occurs in the academic world, which Richard Feynman examines in an essay entitled, "The Relation of Science and Religion". He notes that, "A young man, brought up in a religious family, studies a science, and as a result he comes to doubt--and perhaps later to disbelieve in--his father's God. Now, this is not an isolated example; it happens time and time again." He then poses the question: "Why does this young man come to disbelieve?" After discussing various answers that are not likely to be correct, Feynman then hits upon a major fault line.
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... it is imperative in science to doubt; it is absolutely necessary, for progress in science, to have uncertainty as a fundamental part of your inner nature. To make progress in understanding, we must remain modest and allow that we do not know. Nothing is certain or proved beyond all doubt. ...
That is, if we investigate further, we find that the statements of science are not of what is true and what is not true, but statements of what is known to different degrees of certainty: "It is very much more likely that so and so is true than that it is not true"; or "such and such is almost certain but there is still a little bit of doubt"; or--at the other extreme--"well, we really don't know." Every one of the concepts of science is on a scale graduated somewhere between, but at neither end of, absolute falsity or absolute truth. ...
What happens, then, is that the young man begins to doubt everything because he cannot have it as absolute truth. So the question changes a little bit from "Is there a God?" to "How sure is it that there is a God?" This very subtle change is a great stroke and represents a parting of ways between science and religion. I do not believe a real scientist can ever believe in the same way again. Although there are scientists who believe in God, I do not believe that they think of God in the same way as religious people do. If they are consistent with their science, I think that they say something like this to themselves: "I am almost certain there is a God. The doubt is very small." That is quite different from saying, "I know that there is a God." I do not believe that a scientist can ever obtain that view--that really religious understanding, that real knowledge that there is a God--that absolute certainty which religious people have.3
(By the way, I still feel that one can honestly say, "I know that there is a God" the same way one says, "I know that China exists" even though he has never seen China. In reality, of course, he's really saying "It is almost certain that China exists. The doubt is very small." But humans don't insist on rigidity in language.)
Feynman notes that it's not usually the existence of God that comes under question first. Usually the student first begins to doubt "special tenets, ... or details of the religious doctrine." And what is the area of religion most vulnerable to a scientific attack? I like to call it "God as spackling paste."
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"[It] happens all the time. Somebody comes up with an incomplete explanation of the Universe that doesn't include God; then, some theologian uses 'God' as a sort of spackling paste to fill in the holes, and manages to convince others that that's part of the religion; then, when in due course the quest for knowledge discovers the real explanation, there's this big fight. It happened with astronomy and it happened with human evolution. Would you really want it to happen here?" -- FAQ about the Meaning of Life4
In most religions, there aren't answers specified for common, metaphysical questions. For example, the Bible says nothing about the orbits of celestial bodies, nor does it explain DNA and genetics. But there are some who take ambiguous statements from their Holy Writ and expand them into a complex, metaphysical answer (like Joshua's statement, "Sun, stand thou still"5 turning into the Catholic Church's condemnation of certain astronomers).
Inevitably, some authority, in whatever particular church it may be, will make a scripturally-supported statement that later turns out to be provably false. Perhaps for a while, staunch followers will defend the statement with great rhetoric and zeal, but eventually, truth will prevail. And when it does, it is almost always disastrous to the faith of the aforementioned young man, who has already come to doubt. With his newly-found "scientific mind", he almost subconsciously starts creating new hypotheses and testing their validity against the "religious truth" which he has been brought up not to question.
In some cases, theism wins out, although organized religion may be a casualty along the way. But for those lacking that personal confirmation of God's existence previously mentioned, it may be the final shattering of their belief.
And You?
What about you? Why do you believe? Or why don't you? Are the theists simply confused, deluded, sheep-like people willing to believe whatever is told them? Are the atheists egotistical infidel recalcitrants who would stubbornly refuse to believe even if an angel appeared and proclaimed God's existence?
Like I mentioned previously, I believe that theists believe in God because they have experienced many evidences supporting that conclusion, and likewise atheists disbelieve because the evidence they've seen points entirely the other way. But why such disparate evidences, enough so as to cause such a great rift among the people? That is the question to which I do not know the answer.
Science is beginning to give us a few explanations as to why the vast majority of people believe in God(s) in some form or another. There is the evolutionary psychological explanation, that the human mind basically evolved to believe in religion because those who believed had an advantage. My only problem with that explantion is that it would mean that the concept of God was innate in the human mind. I remember having a consversation with a friend of mine (when I was a Christian) who hadn't been brought up in a religious home, when religion was brought up and I began talking about God, she looked at me like I was talking about Santa Clause. Needless to say I was offended at the time, but that was one of the events that lead me to question my beliefs and eventually lead to me become an athest.
I think that the best answer to the question is that believing in God gives people hope and belief in something bigger than themselves. A lot of people don't like the idea that there is no one watching over us, making sure that we live according to his/her rules and regulations. A lot of people also don't like the idea that when you die you cease to exist completely, and God provides an escape from that realization. Then there is always the awe and wonder that humans feel toward the word we live in. We feel a need to express our gratitude, and people usually thank a "creator" for it.
I, like most atheist, am always open to the possibility of being wrong. There may be a creator, but so far I have not seen any convincing evidence that such a thing were true (the experiences that David Lucifer mentions have been explained by new discoveries in neuroscience). I don't think atheists are egotistical at all, we're simply not convinced by theist claims. If theists want to believe, that's their business. I'm not out to convert anyone, I just wish that they would show me that same respect.
Re:Why do people believe in God?
« Reply #2 on: 2003-06-24 17:15:02 »
Based on the fact that people with scientific education are unlikely to vest belief in gods, that the children of atheists are unlikely to be anything but atheists, and the fact that people who are not taught to believe in gods don't, it seems that the entire angst reflected here can be short circuited:
The most proximal answer is evidently insufficient education of the correct type. Stepping back a level, the greatest indicator for belief in a god or gods is because the believers' parents believed in gods. Stepping back yet another level, because somebody taught them (or their family) to believe in gods or terrified them into pretending to.
Can anyone think of other reasons (other than the obvious possibility that somebody previously exposed to the concept of god belief might become insane or otherwise irrational (possibly through drugs, starvation or hypnosis), and finds it easier to accept god-belief in lieu of accepting cognitive failure)?
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
"[It] happens all the time. Somebody comes up with an incomplete explanation of the Universe that doesn't include God; then, some theologian uses 'God' as a sort of spackling paste to fill in the holes, and manages to convince others that that's part of the religion; then, when in due course the quest for knowledge discovers the real explanation, there's this big fight. It happened with astronomy and it happened with human evolution. Would you really want it to happen here?"
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[rhinoceros] "Spackling paste!" Someone found a word for what I had been preaching for a long time!
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
Re:Why do people believe in God?
« Reply #5 on: 2003-06-27 05:59:54 »
I suspect much of the 'hardwired for god' arguments, while an interesting diversion, are somewhat unhelpful, since establishing a genetic basis for religion only serves to simultaneously discredit and perpetuate religion; not a helpful combination. Like Hermit, I think I'm more interested in the environmental issues (though some of the anecdotal parallels between mystical experience and drug usage are amusing in a judaeo-christian context, to say the least). For example;
"The general conclusion of the book which the reader has before him is that religion is something eminently social. Religious representations are collective representations which express collective realities; the rites are a manner of acting which take rise in the midst of assembled groups and which are destined to excite, maintain, or recreate certain mental states in these groups. So if the categories are of religious origin, they ought to participate in this nature common to all religious facts; they should be social affairs and the product of collective thought. At least -- for in the actual condition of our knowledge of these matters, one should be careful to avoid all radical and exclusive statements -- it is allowable to suppose that they are rich in social elements." (Thompson, 1982, p. 125 [excerpt from The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life])
The Durkheimite thesis then, as briefly alluded to in the original Kuroshin piece. One aspect of this is whether there are any comparative studies of the role of religion, respectively, in rural and urban societies. My thinking is simply that churches tend to play an important role in the social life of villages, while urban societies have many competing social centres.
People believe in god or gods to have something to look forward to. Someone to blame and someone to praise. Mankind does not want to fathom that this is all there is that we are here and make our world what it is and what it is not. Take for instance the people that go to church on a regular basis they go to church to offer up praise and confessions on the hopes of when they die they will be brought to a better place. When things go wrong again asking the god or gods to help or why things are going wrong. Humans are always looking for answers and are always hoping in some degree that this is not all there is. It is in that quest that religion is born. To some it gives a meaning for being here to others it is a way of making an amends to the things that they have done wrong in life. I believe it is a failsafe in the human mind to search for these unknown answers and meanings giving reason to continue on living. Most people find that in religion. It brings a sense of order to their lives a sense of being a part of something much bigger than just what surrounds us in everyday life. A hope that someday when their time arrives that after death they will continue on someplace else. Most people do not want to think that when it is over it is over. They also do not want to think that man is his own god and therefore makes his own destiny be it good or bad. Well that is some of my thoughts on it anyways.
In his book Religion Explained (which I highly recommend as a great source of ideas about why some memes prosper while others never catch on), Pascal Boyer suggests a twist on the "hard-wired for god" notion that Kharin rejects. He says that our brains aren't designed by evolution for the purpose of having religious faith, but instead systems in it that were designed for other purposes just happened to be ideal for religious memes to proliferate - a "spandrel" sort of thing.
Specifically, he says that our minds have an inherited system of creating "templates" for things like animals, plants, tools, or other people, in which certain things are assumed to be true for every member of the category (in animals, for example, they all reproduce, they're all symmetrical over a certain plane, they all eat other organisms) and other things are different for each element of the set (what does it eat? does it reproduce by eggs or live birth? does it have fur or scales or feathers?). Fill in the blanks in the template to create an entry in your mental categorization system.
So, what this has to do with religion is that supernatural concepts catch our attention because they violate some of the assumptions inherent in our templates while satisfying others. For example, talking animals (all animals are assumed to be speechless), people who can walk through walls (people are solid, and cannot pass through other solid objects), virgin births (obviously impossible), disembodied minds (or souls or spirits - they fit all of the assumptions we'd have on the Other People template, like having emotional states or conscious intentions or being able to speak to us, except they have no physical bodies).
Boyer's field work with "primitive" tribal religions gives him an excellent insight on how simple religions could develop where there was no religion before. If his book covered how these simpler supernatural memes could develop into full-fledged modern organized religious memeplexes, I don't remember it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Also, I don't know how much of what he says is supported by other authorities and their research, and how much is his own conjecture.
Obviously I suggest going straight to the source and reading the book itself, because a lot of information must have gotten lost as it traveled through me to this medium, and I am not at all confident in my ability to explain the parts that I really do remember.
Oh, by the way, Scorpio, he rejects your logic entirely. No offense. But I agree strongly with Boyer on that - all the reasons you propose for people to decide to become religious are just that: reasons. Most people aren't that rational, and if they were, they probably wouldn't be religious. They don't think hard about ontology and decide as a result that a Supreme Being must exist - if they do, it's very rare, and almost always happens long after they've already submitted to the religious memes they're trying to justify. An interesting question is, "Why do some people think other people become religious after deep thought about the logic of it?" My guess is those people (the formers) are hyper-rational themselves, so they assume other people's decisions are as rational as their own.
I think that Boyer propounds some good points, but I also think that evolutionary psychology has a lot to do with it. Remember Persinger's God-module experiments? Apparently the predilection to enter that state which Freud characeterized as 'oceanic' and which Otto labelled as 'numinous' is hard-wired within humans to a greater or lesser degree. Why would evolution have inculcated such a thing in us? Because religious agreement contributes greatly towards social cohesion. Thus, a tribe united by a faith that posits a purpose greater than themselves, a purpose that is connected with the beliefs that they share with their tribal co-believers, tends to succeed in warfare against a more fragmented tribe whose members value immanent self-preservation more than transcendent salvation. Religious faith and political commitment dovetail here; the allegiance that the common Roman soldier felt towards the ideal of Rome, the fealty that subjects feel towards their various and sundry kings and emperors, and the Chauvanic bond felt between the French trench-fighter and the noble Bonaparte, perform much the same service. This is a leading reason why (beginning with Constantine) the previously pagan and polytheistic Romans, recognizing through bitter and amazing experience the cohesive strength, the commitment, and the aspiration to universality that the single supreme God of Christian ideology possessed for its adherents, and to what incredible degrees of self-sacrificial action for what they perceived as God's greater good that faith could motivate them, co-opted it as the faith of early medieval Rome. This is also why many parallels can be profitably drawn between religious dogmans and political ideologies, such as Fascism, Communism and participatory democracy. Of copurse, in the case of militant Wahhabist Muslims, no comparison is necessary, for the political ideology of the Dar-el-Islam, the Dar-el-Harb, the Kufr and the Ummah are by the acolytes of that particular Islamo-fascist mutation identical to the religious injunctions to globalize the supremacy of Islam by means of conversion, enslavement or murder. For them, there is no separation between politics and religion and philosophy; they comprise one single monolithic, memetic and commanding whole.
I'm skeptical of explanations combining history with evolution. Major cohesive religions have been around for less than 5000 years, I'd guess. Clearly evolution couldn't have created our predilections in that time, and humanity was already spread far around the globe anyway. So if religions could have co-evolved with the genetic component that predisposes us to them, it would have to have been far earlier - possibly Ice Age times. So we have to ask how much of a cohesive bonus tribal religions could have provided back then - enough to trigger supporting evolutionary adaptations? I don't think so, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if I were wrong. It seems to me religion isn't needed to unify small tribes; it's larger nations that need a common faith to hold themselves together, and even with the Baldwin Effect I don't think large nations have been around long enough.
Playing the spandrel angle again, I'd take another look at exactly what it is about religions that makes them socially cohesive. It seems to me to be the same kind of dominance hierarchy we see in human secular life and in many species related to us - the stuff with the pecking orders, the alpha males, etc. Of course I was brought up in the Catholic tradition, and I don't claim to know much about the vastly diverse assortment of other religions out there. I assume it's roughly the same - a spiritual leader is required to "interpret" the supernatural for his (or her, maybe) tribe, and if the religion is big enough, spiritual leaders in it develop a hierarchy.
Despite my total lack of anthropological and sociological knowledge, I think it's definitely worth looking at whether religion's unifying, cohesive effects aren't just carried over from the social organization that clearly predates the Ice Age - then we'd be looking at another genetic factor that "causes" religion but wasn't "designed" to do so.
Re:Why do people believe in God?
« Reply #10 on: 2003-06-28 10:00:48 »
I would have to agree that major religions did not occur until recently and in this time evolutionary adaptations are not possible. The major reason i would have to object to idea that the notion of God is cause by genes has to do with social heirarchy as was already mentioned. In the minds of todays over equationized social identities the primary drive for individualism has to diversify. The new self image is a thousand times more complex than it's evolutionary genes intended it to be and because of this memetic explosion this identity has no solid backbone in which it can't easily deviate. The undefinable association of a "God" satisfies the ends to most of these puzzle piece contradictories of oneself. Social Identity is a entelechy. And it's complexity has reached the piont in which many like us can differentiate ourselves in a more complex pattern to sort out these countradictions. I would like to think that on the whole the growth in social identities is continueing throughout the world in a typical exponential pattern but such data has never been collected or tested that i know of. If only I had a billion dollars. Nate
We know that religious rituals are hundreds of thousands of years old; we have found statuary and cave paintings from 20k years ago, and have found flowers placed in human graves 100k years ago. While large religious organizations are a recent phenomenon, tribal faith systems almost certainly predate them by a vast period. Indigenous preliterate contemporary tribes possess faith systems, and have possessed them as long as the histories of the tribes can be remembered and orally passed down by its members.
Re:Why do people believe in God?
« Reply #12 on: 2003-06-30 14:11:08 »
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"Pascal Boyer suggests a twist on the "hard-wired for god" notion that Kharin rejects."
I didn't reject it; I characterised it as unhelpful, largely because focussing attention on genetic explanations (however valid that may be) leaves scant room for memetics. In particular, it does little to explain why some societies have seen organised religion decline (e.g. much of Europe) and others have seen this to a much less marked extent (e.g. The United States). For example, 48% of people in the UK claim to belong to a religion, compared with 86% of people in the US and 92% of Italians. In order to explain that, you need to look to environmental influences. For example:
1. A shift from local to national or transnational society (e.g. Europe). In a small and relatively closed community like a village, religion can inculcate and reproduce shared values. In a larger society, religion ceases to be a public performance and becomes a private consolation. As such, urban areas may be more conducive to secularisation than rural ones.
2. Dogmatic conceptions within Churches. Since a church is a social system, it develops and seeks to reinforce group norms, which may prove to be self-limiting in the long term e.g.
"The group may attract fewer members at first, but it will be stronger over time. Distinctiveness also gives people a reason for affiliation and a sense of camaraderie. ... But a church cannot survive if the cost of membership is too great, especially if it wants to draw members from social groups that have other opportunities. By raising the costs of the old rules, social change poses a significant challenge to conservative religious groups. It is harder for members to find a happy compromise between the church's ideals and social norms, because the two are now far apart."
Bear in mind that most European countries have had state churches, so lapsed believers are likely to fall into passive observance or non-belief. The US has historically had more of a free-market in religion and lapsed believers may have greater choice of alternatives.
2. Displacement of religious institutions. The rise of new roles and specialist institutions handling functions previously carried out by religious institutions, often based on increasingly rational principles (again an area where Europe is different to the US and is suggestive of policies that involve fairh groups in public service provision). These include education, health care, social security, even art and culture.
I apologize for mischaracterizing your beliefs; however, I still maintain that Boyer's explanation is helpful and does leave room for memetics. It tells us why supernatural memes are so entrancing, although sociological explanations like yours certainly pick up where that leaves off, telling us why these little catchy memes become organized into such large, strict memeplexes.
I have a few speculations to add to your list of why organized religions have seen a decline in recent times:
1) Vastly different religions have finally met each other. Very diverse memes from all different religious traditions are able to spread quickly in the electronic age, so it's much easier for someone to wonder why his religion is the right one while the fifty other belief systems he's encountered are wrong. Previously, a very small proportion of the population would have been exposed to more than one religious tradition, so the choice was either that one or nothing at all. Now, not only do religions passively spread awareness of conflicting views; they must actively attack each other to win popular support. Perhaps it's going too far to say that when religious denominations attack each other's beliefs, the act is always destructive to everyone involved, because no religious beliefs survive incisive attacks. In addition, tolerance dictates that public organizations and officials treat all faiths with equal respect; to endorse one in particular can be a dangerous move. Thus religion moves out of the public sector.
2) The rise of science. I believe the analytical, skeptical, empirical, debate-oriented form of inquiry science promotes has had much more success in revealing the nature of the universe to us, and in giving us more power over it, than any other epistemology. Even if that doesn't motivate everyone to adopt the scientific mindset, education helps - especially since, as you say, education has become secular. As skepticism, rationalism, empiricism etc. spread through the populace, supernatural claims without supporting evidence find it harder and harder to lodge themselves deep in our minds and dominate our lives. As a result, some religious groups become more liberal, making their beliefs more abstract (though less compelling) to avoid falisfiability, while others become intellectually brittle and can only gain the support of the more gullible - although that's not necessarily a small demographic.
Re:Why do people believe in God?
« Reply #14 on: 2003-07-01 04:22:30 »
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I apologize for mischaracterizing your beliefs; however, I still maintain that Boyer's explanation is helpful and does leave room for memetics.
I think I was talking about hardwiring explanations in general, and evolutionary pscyhology in particular. The Boyer explanation sounds like it explains religious propensities almost in terms of Gould's spandrel concept. As you indicate, I don't see that it would incompatible with sociological explanations.
Regarding your additions, the first if arguably an extension of my first, since religious are not geographical markers anymore. I agree with your second point, though I suspect it would probably apply to a large extent to the most educated classes, a process which certainly began to set in in the Victorian period.